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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident it doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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alone welcome to podcast UFO for our

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Alejandro what's going on yo yo it's

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wikki wikki wikki wikki wikki leagues oh

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that's the big news lots of news now

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we've got lots of cool news on the

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at RAF base so this is a Wing Commander

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talking about a sighting at a base in

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England so it's a really neat one and

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maybe next time we can go over it some

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more I'm also going to be posting one

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from a guy who writes from us for us in

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Germany

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he's got his own German kind of

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paranormal site frontier sciences site

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he calls it a Canadian case where the

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scientists believed he might be seeing

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some alien signals here so I'm going to

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post that later today however there's a

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lot to go over with these wiki leaks so

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I would like to cover that if that's

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okay yeah absolutely

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all right cool so you may or may not be

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aware that WikiLeaks released a bunch of

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John Podesta's emails so that should get

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you excited because Podesta is Hillary's

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campaign manager he worked for Obama as

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an adviser and his transition manager

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when Obama took over the White House he

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also worked for Bill Clinton so this is

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a guy in media or in the government for

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a long time and he's a big UFO

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enthusiast so we've got a lot of stories

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on that but of course with a bunch of

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his emails thousands coming out some of

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them are going to be regarding UFOs the

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media has picked up on there's that this

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more sensational kind of goofy stuff of

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course and unfortunately I mean no

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offense but Edgar Mitchell got into very

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fringe stuff he was an astronaut he

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walked on the moon a great guy by many

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accounts and he was in the UFO field

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talking about UFO stuff and he started

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getting more and more fringe I mean he

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Roswell and said that that really

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happened but there was a couple emails

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from someone close to him not from him

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was from her email address on Edgar

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wanted to talk about space treaties and

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disclosure of UFOs and alien technology

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like and if you go to a web site her

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websites about the extraterrestrials who

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also believe in God who are trying to

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help us and

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our stuff like this so it's kind of

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Frenchy stuff Podesta it doesn't look

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like ever answered that email according

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to Carol rosin some one of his aides did

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but no meeting ever happened on that so

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Mitchell to talk about aliens and all

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to these emails and this is absolutely

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fascinating I feel and it has to do with

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rock star Tom DeLonge who used to be

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he even absconded his who heck with it

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honestly a couple people who worked here

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open mind set TV to go work for him for

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know and some other stuff but he claims

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was on coast to coast with George Knapp

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claiming that he's got these government

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on insiders that know about

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back-engineering aliens and UFOs and all

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of this stuff but we haven't seen any of

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these insiders so we're like okay you

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know is this legit or is he talking to

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you know some of these charlatans out

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there that we know about well he did

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post in a July a picture of him

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interviewing John Podesta so we know

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that they did talk and in these emails

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longest kind of updating Podesta and

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saying hey I want you to meet with some

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of my government insiders I want you to

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meet with some of these people he even

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says he was talking with Spielberg and

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he wanted Podesta to meet with Spielberg

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don't know what kind of conversations

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however finally it looks like a meeting

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an invite so actually this guy named he

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just identifies himself as Neil

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essentially wrote an email to Podesta

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which was a reply to this invitation

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saying hey you know what's the time zone

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that's how we know about the meeting and

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it was a meeting from Podesta to several

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very interesting people so it was to Tom

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DeLonge it was also to it turns out this

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where blue Buick happened that's where

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the UFO research happened it's been

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accused of housing alien bodies and

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parts of UFOs and stuff like that the

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Roswell craft supposedly went there so

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it's got a rich history the other people

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Carey Michael Carey actually wrote a

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short review for Tom's book which was

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positive but it wasn't really about

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aliens and UFOs and stuff is more about

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secrets and you know kind of espionage

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space and stuff from our enemies but he

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was at this meeting he's also a very

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interesting person he is suspect or rito

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that exists but it does and if you watch

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was in that allegedly have didn't happen

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for real it was that was fiction but so

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ever since so one of the guys in charge

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of area 51 is at this meeting with Tom

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DeLonge so all of these people were in

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back after the meeting we know we're not

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sure who was there but it looks like the

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meeting took place because the last

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was from Tom DeLonge and it was to

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Podesta and he was seemed a little bit

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disappointed by what McCaslin said

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McCasland says he's a skeptic but he's

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not he's been helping me for months on

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my project and what's shocking about

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this is of course Tom DeLong's project

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is to show that the government is aware

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of UFOs and alien technology and they

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back engineered alien technology so

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is helping a major general in charge of

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the labs at wright-patterson is helping

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advisors and he's very much into the

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topic so that this meeting occurred is

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astonishing I mean it shows that Tom

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DeLonge actually does have some deep

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insiders what these people have told him

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we have no idea but it appears now

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leaks appear not to be genuine but he's

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not sure which he hasn't gone through

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them if you're following deluzy yeah I

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had no idea that that could happen well

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because I mean they're dubious the

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source is dubious to begin with being

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WikiLeaks is a bit dubious and so is you

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know they were supposedly hacked from

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the Russians so the Russians provided

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these to WikiLeaks so there could be

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some some espionage or

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counterintelligence going on there

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however all of these Russian allegedly

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Democratic Party that have been going on

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their authenticity has not been

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questioned I mean they have all appeared

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to be real and in fact W Wasserman or I

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the Lydian charge of the Democratic

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Party even resigned over some of these

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WikiLeaks so it they've all apparently

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been real so there's no reason to doubt

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these emails are not genuine so it seems

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like the meeting really did take place

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and I think that's pretty extraordinary

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now people well grant Cameron thinks

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they were talking about disclosure and

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how all of these guys are working on

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releasing information about UFOs and

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getting the alien word out there that

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you know they're working on this alien

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technology out there I don't know about

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that DeLong even mentioning that

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McCasland was skeptical makes me doubt

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that that's the case I'm not so sure I

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um but you know grant seemed certain of

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it although I don't see that we have any

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evidence of that certainly being the

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case but it's still fascinating I think

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huh I guess so really really something

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well it'll be really interesting to find

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out where this all got leads to you know

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eventually

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mmm-hmm you know amen to that brother

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and I don't know if he's gonna you know

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come out with it in a movie or you know

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a documentary or something well he's

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supposedly working on a documentary and

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and you know in the summer last summer

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when he released these pictures they

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were him interviewing Podesta for an

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upcoming documentary but there's no word

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on when that may come out Wow or that'll

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be something to watch mm-hmm especially

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because Podesta who gets an interview

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with him not committee exactly not too

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many people everybody's been trying not

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George Knapp but one of his colleagues

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in Las Vegas did get an interview with

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Podesta and was able to ask him a couple

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UFO questions maybe one or two

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he's probably coached by George but that

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was it it was just short and very brief

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but otherwise George Lee Spiegel

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and myself and others have been

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clamoring to get an interview with him

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on this topic and nobody has been able

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to so and of course he did write a

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foreword and was very involved with

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Leslie Kane and some of her efforts so

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that's that's really cool so she's

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spoken with him but otherwise yeah

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pretty interesting stuff great stuff

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well hey thanks so much

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yep not a problem my pleasure

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all right we'll be talking to you next

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week all right talk to you later

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all right so everyone hang a nail we'll

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well welcome to the show Frank hello

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Martin

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how are you thank you I'm good thanks

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for having me

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sure thing I met you and Tonya out in

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Phoenix and we were talking about that

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early there's always a lot of people

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swarming around hard to remember who is

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who but I remembered you had a pair of

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cool glasses that's how I remembered you

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Sonia has that great blonde hair yeah

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she does the great smile yeah that's for

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sure

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so welcome but like I said and for the

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I've got a bunch of questions for you

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but for the listener that is not aware

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can you give a little bit of your

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background and in what you've been up to

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sure thing Martin

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I guess my background would be in

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starting originally I was in heavily

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involved in music production this goes

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back some time now and I basically

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gradually moved along in media and I've

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always had sort of a fascination with

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film and I went sort of through the the

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media world first you know in music and

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in live performance and in digital

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recording eventually leading to doing

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some post-production work and using

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computers at the time when pro tools and

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these technologies were first emerging

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and then of course at the time they were

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mainly audio based but soon of course we

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all know that video then sort of made

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the move to digital and I gradually made

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the jump between audio to video because

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I was always fascinated with the way

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moving pictures were changed when you

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added music and ambience and sound

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effects and everything to them so that

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evolved to the point where I began

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working I moved to over to Europe and I

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began working at a network and I was

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editing full time and I was cutting

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hundreds and thousands of anything from

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short 30-second clips to full-length

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programs

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and at some point I wanted to basically

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put together all these different

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disciplines into a project and so I was

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looking for something to kind of sink my

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teeth in and I and I one night was was

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going through the internet and I was and

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I just happened to catch some material I

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guess you know I should also mention

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that I was sort of interested as a kid

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in UFOs heavily and the Billy Meyer case

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was one thing that really fascinated me

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and all the evidence that sort of came

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out there never really left my mind and

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and but I left it behind and then one

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night you know many years later I heard

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an interview with Laura Eisenhower and

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she was talking about how she had been

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recruited for a Mars colony and this was

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sort of interesting to me because I

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think about 15 years earlier somebody

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had given me a book called alternative 3

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written by a British Fleet Street

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reporter called Leslie Watkins now this

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book is sort of an interesting book

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because it was a sci-fi written as as a

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like a factual novel and it was actually

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itself based on a 1977 British

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television program called science report

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which created as its final episode an

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episode called alternative three and in

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this episode they had hired the bunch of

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actors to play the role of think-tank

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representatives and scientists and it

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was based on the idea of a brain drain

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from Britain where a lot of these

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scientists and smart people were being

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sort of disappeared were going into off

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you know offshore university programs so

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they assumed then they were trying to

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trace the whereabouts of these people

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and the cool thing about the show was

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that because the science report was

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actually a factual based science weekly

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report that came out of England when

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they put this show together as their

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kind of final episode it was sort of for

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the writers to the kind of mock people

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about how they believe everything they

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see on television so when it came out

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this show you know was released it of

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course kind of set panic and shocked

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stunned reaction through England just in

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the same way that Orson Welles kind of

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had the effect with the war of the

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worlds' drama remember that drama that

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happened that that yeah so they they had

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tens of thousands of people calling in

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to the television station you know

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freaking out that this was you know how

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greatest us that this colony and and the

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book was about and the show was about

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this idea that there was actually a

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group of people that had devised

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alternatives to kind of save human the

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human race from impending doom or

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extinction mainly caused by you know the

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onset of global warming and it was so

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real that I think and then later when

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Lesley published his book which was much

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more detailed this again had the effect

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of tripping politicians and scientists

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and you know writers from all over the

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world and researchers that were amazed

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that Leslie could have put the truth out

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about something which they all felt you

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know was going on but they apparently

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never could talk about so it it's and

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Leslie himself you know basically

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refused to admit that it was I mean he

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basically said no this was all fiction I

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made the whole thing up and and so the

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person who gave me that book you know

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under this premise that it was really

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the truth hidden out an inversion of

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science fiction really intrigued me and

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so when I heard Laura Eisenhower talking

447
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about this Mars colony that she'd been

448
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recruited for it all came flooding back

449
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and I decided at that moment okay

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this is the project that I'd like to

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pursue to kind of put together all those

452
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different all those skills and tell this

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this wild story and sort of take the

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journey down the rabbit hole in much the

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same way that anybody that was

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interested in this story would if they

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just kind of grab the backpack a camera

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and hit the road looking for the answers

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Wow

460
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and where did that take you I so I was

461
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telling you earlier I try to watch your

462
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film last night fell asleep only because

463
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I was very it was very late in

464
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I've been burning the candle at both

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ends here but yeah so I didn't get to

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see the full movie I just saw part of it

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but where where did this movie take you

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well the the first thing that happens is

469
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that you you just you kind of have to

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follow the the leads to where they lead

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where they bring you and for me it was

472
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:13,980
it was like okay if I can get if I get

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an answer from from one person then in

474
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under the premise that you know the

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universe will open doors for fools

476
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looking to understand the secret and

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just kind of believing in synchronicity

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and serendipity I I was led you know

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from Laura to Alfred lamb Burman Webber

480
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and then very very soon into the

481
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production actually within I think five

482
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days I ran into Tanya maiden Ford who

483
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:49,500
was important to mention because she she

484
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:51,530
played a critical and pivotal role in

485
00:22:58,550 --> 00:22:55,770
helping me to to connect with a lot of

486
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:58,560
people in terms of you know witnesses or

487
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:00,780
researchers who were into this field

488
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,480
because I like I like I said I was I was

489
00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:05,280
into UFOs and stuff as a kid but I'd

490
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kind of left all that stuff behind and

491
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and so for me it was really a

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00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:12,660
serendipity that I would connect with

493
00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:14,310
Latonya whose company's green addiction

494
00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:17,910
had already produced several UFO movies

495
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:20,070
one of which ironically was sitting on

496
00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:22,230
my desktop when when I met her and she

497
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:24,750
saw that I had this film called moon

498
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,900
rising and she had been one of the

499
00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:29,340
producers and I don't know if you know

500
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:31,230
that film that's a film by Jose

501
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:34,530
Escamilla and Jose really inspired me as

502
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:35,880
well because he was one of the first

503
00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:38,280
people the pioneers that kind of looked

504
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:42,150
at photographic material that had been

505
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:45,900
published on NASA websites particularly

506
00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:48,570
the Clementine mission and found

507
00:23:52,460 --> 00:23:50,550
anomalies and began to look into those

508
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:52,470
and actually basically clearly laid out

509
00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:55,910
and documented a whole series of

510
00:24:00,140 --> 00:23:58,140
photographic tamper

511
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:00,150
that had been taking place unbeknownst

512
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:02,520
to the population and that when I saw

513
00:24:06,290 --> 00:24:04,200
that really outraged me like it would I

514
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:06,300
think outraged anybody to realize that

515
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:08,490
there's actually tampering going on I

516
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:11,280
mean you see this and you kind of go why

517
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:13,320
you know why don't they show us exactly

518
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:14,790
what's there why is there any smudged

519
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:16,650
material in these pictures at all and

520
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:19,500
the funny thing is once once was they

521
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:22,290
began publishing that material they

522
00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:24,120
actually took the Clementine browser off

523
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:26,550
the web and when it when some of those

524
00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:28,770
pictures later re-emerged on the

525
00:24:32,780 --> 00:24:30,660
Internet the areas that were smudged

526
00:24:36,290 --> 00:24:32,790
that that Jose had located were no

527
00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:36,300
longer smudged interestingly so you know

528
00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:37,950
this is this is kind of how it how it

529
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:40,230
happened I I went out you know then when

530
00:24:44,540 --> 00:24:42,120
I met with Tanya we began to do this

531
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:44,550
kind of real-life Scully and Mulder

532
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:48,330
thing and part of it was also not just

533
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:50,730
you know you you you hear something or

534
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:52,710
you read something but you actually

535
00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:54,810
what's important and I think what many

536
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,750
people don't do is as fantastic as some

537
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,340
of these claims are when you actually go

538
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,620
to the physical location yourself to

539
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,880
find out if there's actually something

540
00:25:07,790 --> 00:25:06,000
to it it opens up a whole other picture

541
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:07,800
for you because it's it's one thing to

542
00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:09,570
hear the story and to read about the

543
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:11,070
story but it's another thing to be

544
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:13,740
standing in those places and find out if

545
00:25:17,660 --> 00:25:15,450
they're real or not from a physical

546
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:17,670
perspective so that was one of the other

547
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:20,220
sort of important aspects of making the

548
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:23,130
film is going to the locations that in

549
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,130
our case we know we'd also been I'd also

550
00:25:30,020 --> 00:25:28,320
been following the story of someone

551
00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:30,030
called Andrew basiago which I'm amazed

552
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:31,830
your listeners may be familiar with and

553
00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:34,610
his story of having been involved in

554
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:38,120
project Pegasus where there was

555
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:41,340
time-travel going on and experimentation

556
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:43,170
and time travel and time jumps and then

557
00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:47,970
later jump rooms so I wanted to to find

558
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:49,470
out if these locations because I had

559
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:51,510
gone I've made contact with Andy and I

560
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:54,930
made contact with Laura and I went and

561
00:25:58,790 --> 00:25:56,370
talked to them and I heard their story

562
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,800
and of course I wanted to go see if the

563
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:01,080
areas that that Andrew basiago we're

564
00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:03,450
talking about existed and so so Tanya

565
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:04,950
and I sort of went out on the road and

566
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:10,200
and hit all these places hmm Wow someone

567
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:11,610
wanted to know what is your on the

568
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,100
messageboard what is your your true

569
00:26:20,530 --> 00:26:18,000
source of inspiration I'm guessing that

570
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:20,540
must be for the film you use sort of

571
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,059
weren't worth talking about that yes

572
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:26,640
yeah so I think the truth the foundation

573
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:28,200
for the film really was the book

574
00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:31,890
alternative three and the idea that you

575
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:35,670
know there would be this that the story

576
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:37,590
written and documented in alternative

577
00:26:42,650 --> 00:26:40,020
three and and I highly recommend anyone

578
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:42,660
out there that hears about it that wants

579
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:45,330
an interesting page-turner to read the

580
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:47,610
book is just amazing I mean the the show

581
00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:51,240
itself is is available online you can

582
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:53,190
probably find it in various locations on

583
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:54,900
YouTube or whatever but the book itself

584
00:26:59,780 --> 00:26:56,370
has just been re-released and and

585
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,790
serendipity serendipity again was acting

586
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:01,440
in this case as well because two weeks

587
00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:03,809
to the day after packing for Mars was

588
00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:06,270
released we were contacted by Graham

589
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:08,040
Watkins who was the son of Leslie

590
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:11,640
Watkins and he I didn't even know Leslie

591
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,460
Watkins was still alive and it was great

592
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,559
because you know we shared the film with

593
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,600
with them and they were they're about to

594
00:27:24,650 --> 00:27:20,460
republish alternative three after almost

595
00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:24,660
40 years and when the film came out they

596
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:26,070
were just blown away and they've just

597
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:29,910
you know we've teamed up in a way to

598
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:33,600
help basically bring this story back out

599
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:35,490
into the opener so the books been

600
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:37,020
republished with new information and

601
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:38,820
updated information and it's it's a

602
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:40,919
great read and it really is interesting

603
00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:44,100
to think that 40 years ago somebody

604
00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:47,309
could have you know downloaded if you

605
00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:48,540
want to say it that way

606
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:52,919
this story about the details about

607
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:56,490
building a new colonies on Mars you know

608
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,580
on moon and also the idea of moving

609
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,559
people offworld

610
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:04,320
on to Mars and you know with books out

611
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,890
there now like you know David Politis

612
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,720
has a book called missing for one one

613
00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:12,480
we're at Nexus last year we heard some

614
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,700
very interesting cases of people just

615
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:16,440
literally vanishing into thin air

616
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:19,320
thousands and of people and you have to

617
00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:20,580
ask yourself I mean among all the

618
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:22,230
missing people out there I mean his

619
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:23,850
cases are really bizarre because they

620
00:28:27,410 --> 00:28:25,530
they really are

621
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,420
people that disappear without a trace

622
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,240
that did not have a suicide wish or

623
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:32,640
didn't want to be disappeared you know

624
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,810
on their own a lot of people want to

625
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:35,340
disappear as well so there's a lot of

626
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:36,570
cases that people you could probably

627
00:28:41,030 --> 00:28:38,580
write off for that but but his stuff

628
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:41,040
really makes you wonder and that was one

629
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:43,140
of the you know that was one of the main

630
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:44,910
themes and and also an alternative three

631
00:28:51,170 --> 00:28:46,530
that there was these vessel called batch

632
00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:51,180
consignments and you know these these

633
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:53,270
were people that they'd literally

634
00:28:59,900 --> 00:28:57,330
removed or lobotomized certain aspects

635
00:29:03,020 --> 00:28:59,910
of the brain to make them essentially

636
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:03,030
human machine slave laborers who lost

637
00:29:08,270 --> 00:29:05,400
their will to self-determination and

638
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:08,280
just basically follow two orders as they

639
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:12,480
were told without question well yeah

640
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:15,050
getting back to David polite ease up

641
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:18,290
probably pronouncing his name wrong but

642
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:21,510
interesting the the case is that he has

643
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:24,510
I know this is off topic but still that

644
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:26,610
you know that it could be someone that

645
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:30,600
was hiking or for instance and be like

646
00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:32,730
last in line and also they just plain

647
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:36,780
disappear and this is in the national

648
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:39,510
parks and then he went into other things

649
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,730
as well where these people just plain

650
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:43,140
disappear without a trace

651
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:48,240
and it's it's pretty scary and he will

652
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,940
not commit to any type of explanation

653
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:52,860
why these things are happening I've

654
00:29:59,050 --> 00:29:56,310
heard tribal up try to get him to say is

655
00:30:01,640 --> 00:29:59,060
that Bigfoot is a UFOs is it you know

656
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:01,650
abductions or what is it and he won't he

657
00:30:05,950 --> 00:30:04,200
won't commit he just lets people make up

658
00:30:09,050 --> 00:30:05,960
their own mind and get you know just

659
00:30:12,530 --> 00:30:09,060
talks about what happened and then lets

660
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:12,540
you make up your own mind that's one

661
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:13,980
thing I like about him is that he does

662
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:17,310
let people sort of choose you know their

663
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:19,140
own explanation he doesn't force an

664
00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:23,310
explanation on anybody right I would

665
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:25,830
like to ask you this question this came

666
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:30,840
in via email just before the show from a

667
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:33,650
listener that sends in some questions

668
00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:37,410
and says things like secret space

669
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:39,830
programs Mars colonies

670
00:30:45,009 --> 00:30:42,740
teleportation and so on must sound too

671
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:45,019
fantastic to view as anything more than

672
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:48,110
sci-fi to any rational person first

673
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:49,190
exposed to it

674
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:51,529
you must have had a similar initial

675
00:30:55,389 --> 00:30:53,840
reaction do you now believe that these

676
00:30:59,039 --> 00:30:55,399
things could be real rather than

677
00:31:03,669 --> 00:30:59,049
fictional if so what changed your mind

678
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:03,679
that's a good question I and I would say

679
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:06,610
of course you know it's very true I did

680
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:11,330
I think I had a similar initial feeling

681
00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:14,690
that anybody would have and I think

682
00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:17,240
what's clear is that if you follow the

683
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:21,470
lead of the whistleblowers then you know

684
00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:24,470
you and you're open-minded you you

685
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,080
basically have to rely on the one end

686
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:29,120
you have to rely on what they're telling

687
00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:33,679
you being truthful and what I did in

688
00:31:38,169 --> 00:31:36,380
terms of filming and what you know taani

689
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:38,179
and I would often do with the recordings

690
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:42,850
were choose to be very very close

691
00:31:48,370 --> 00:31:46,370
perspective on people in the film that

692
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:48,380
we're talking because I believe that if

693
00:31:53,230 --> 00:31:51,769
you have little more than the testimony

694
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:53,240
of the whistleblowers who have left

695
00:31:57,159 --> 00:31:55,700
these secret programs with probably a

696
00:32:00,430 --> 00:31:57,169
little more than the clothing on their

697
00:32:03,639 --> 00:32:00,440
back and you know and repressed memories

698
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:03,649
which reemerge many years later is you

699
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:05,510
have this sort of I think built in every

700
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:07,970
human being kind of as a built in BS

701
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:10,760
detector and it's connected to the eyes

702
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:12,200
and I think if you look into somebody's

703
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:13,760
eyes it's kind of like the window into

704
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:15,950
the soul they say and looking into

705
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:17,480
somebody's eyes when they're telling you

706
00:32:20,139 --> 00:32:18,529
when you're sitting there across from

707
00:32:23,379 --> 00:32:20,149
these people telling you stories that

708
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,389
are just so crazy and so out there that

709
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:24,799
contradict everything that you've

710
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:28,159
learned you have to kind of you know you

711
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,690
have to make that connection I think

712
00:32:33,970 --> 00:32:32,000
it'll it connects with you internally

713
00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:33,980
whether what's what they're saying is

714
00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:37,460
resonating and the other thing is you

715
00:32:41,289 --> 00:32:39,350
know you follow them you look for you

716
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:41,299
know of course for scientific evidence

717
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:44,210
and for example like Andrew basiago was

718
00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:45,590
talking about the chronovisor

719
00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:49,070
and the chronovisor was a device that

720
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:52,700
they were using to to create to project

721
00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:53,690
like holograph

722
00:32:59,980 --> 00:32:57,529
fields of time events and time events in

723
00:33:02,139 --> 00:32:59,990
the past to go back and and to see if

724
00:33:04,629 --> 00:33:02,149
certain major events had taken place and

725
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:04,639
later also to kind of step into those

726
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:08,570
times and and experience them like in

727
00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:10,970
person and and the interesting thing was

728
00:33:17,159 --> 00:33:13,940
that the chronovisor it could totally

729
00:33:21,129 --> 00:33:17,169
existed it was something that actually

730
00:33:24,490 --> 00:33:21,139
what was was invented by Pellegrino or

731
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:24,500
Nettie a Italian past or in the 50s

732
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:27,350
working under the Vatican and he began

733
00:33:34,529 --> 00:33:30,230
to figure out a way to actually capture

734
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:34,539
or recapture the originally the audio

735
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,129
the magnetic trace

736
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:39,679
signals of audio which were which were

737
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:41,990
stored in the magnetosphere of the earth

738
00:33:47,169 --> 00:33:45,830
and later these this developed to the

739
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:47,179
point where he was actually able to

740
00:33:54,669 --> 00:33:51,679
capture the the frequency of visual

741
00:33:56,889 --> 00:33:54,679
images which had taken place in time and

742
00:33:58,749 --> 00:33:56,899
were stored in the magnetosphere and by

743
00:34:00,279 --> 00:33:58,759
capturing that I mean tuning them in

744
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:00,289
they were sort of projected into the

745
00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:01,970
room and then they filmed these and

746
00:34:06,009 --> 00:34:03,980
presented them to the Pope and the

747
00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:06,019
Hybris and in the Italian and the

748
00:34:09,879 --> 00:34:07,820
American administration's upon which

749
00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:09,889
point I think it freaked them out so

750
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:12,440
much that they the project went deep

751
00:34:18,099 --> 00:34:15,919
underground and it was disappeared and

752
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,109
you know we talked to earn Stankowski a

753
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:20,720
German physicist who's one of the

754
00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:22,520
pioneers an instrumental

755
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,919
transcommunication in Germany who's been

756
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:26,480
in you know instrumental

757
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:29,540
transcommunication is the making contact

758
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:33,530
with spirits on in another dimension

759
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:38,810
using radios and electromagnetic static

760
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:40,490
sounds and things like that is one of

761
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,050
the early people have developed that and

762
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:44,240
he told us the whole sort of his

763
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:46,490
experience of having actually gone down

764
00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:50,030
to talk with you know father or Ned Ian

765
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:52,460
and and he verified that this technology

766
00:34:57,819 --> 00:34:54,889
actually was pioneered and developed and

767
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:57,829
and as for as far as I understand the

768
00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:01,040
technology then went you know into DARPA

769
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:02,540
and was further developed to the point

770
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,730
that Andrew basiago was telling us about

771
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:07,599
30 years or 40 years after that point

772
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:12,050
so there's there really is you know

773
00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:14,270
there's things going on out of the

774
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:17,990
public eye that for me you know this was

775
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:19,369
the stuff that that really did that

776
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:21,380
change my mind and let me to believe

777
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:24,770
that you know we have to be cognizant of

778
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:29,089
a whole other reality that's going on

779
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,150
and I think one of the key factors here

780
00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:34,960
is a word that keeps coming up and

781
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:37,460
Richard Dolan talks about it and things

782
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:39,140
one of the early sort of people that

783
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:41,210
defected push this this word is called

784
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:43,670
the breakaway civilization and now that

785
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:45,770
word is has really become kind of a

786
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:48,170
staple of all the people that are out

787
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:49,820
there exposing and developing and

788
00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:52,609
pushing technologies coming into this to

789
00:35:57,070 --> 00:35:54,680
this area and that is the technology

790
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:57,080
developed by a civilization or a part of

791
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:00,160
civilization which has broken away from

792
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:03,400
our society in the sense that they are

793
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:06,710
managing developing and pioneering

794
00:36:11,410 --> 00:36:09,440
technologies that are far far more

795
00:36:14,859 --> 00:36:11,420
advanced than anything that we are aware

796
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:14,869
of in the general public when I first

797
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,890
saw the title of your your movie and

798
00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:21,440
it's also a title of a book packing from

799
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:23,300
Mars we can talk a little bit about the

800
00:36:30,430 --> 00:36:26,810
author of that later on but when I first

801
00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:30,440
saw that I thought for sure it had to do

802
00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:35,180
with future you know spaceflight to Mars

803
00:36:40,180 --> 00:36:37,940
that has been talked about you know I

804
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:40,190
think a few years ago there actually

805
00:36:46,930 --> 00:36:43,190
took recruitments four people volunteers

806
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:46,940
and had a an amazing amount of people

807
00:36:52,750 --> 00:36:48,770
sign up and I think the whole thing just

808
00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:52,760
fell apart but but that is what I have

809
00:36:57,730 --> 00:36:55,670
you followed all that as well no

810
00:37:01,200 --> 00:36:57,740
actually I did not I mean the thing is

811
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:01,210
that that sort of happened came and went

812
00:37:07,630 --> 00:37:06,050
prior to to to us making the film and

813
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:07,640
it's interesting because you know the

814
00:37:12,370 --> 00:37:09,650
book you're just referring to by Mary

815
00:37:15,849 --> 00:37:12,380
Roach you know the time that it came out

816
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:15,859
was exactly the same time that that you

817
00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:17,570
know packing from Mars the film was

818
00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:19,460
created so it was like interesting

819
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:21,349
parallel sort of timeline

820
00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:23,630
going on I had no awareness of of that

821
00:37:28,029 --> 00:37:25,430
book and I'm sure that you know the

822
00:37:30,489 --> 00:37:28,039
author of that book has no has no

823
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:30,499
awareness of of our thing maybe now I

824
00:37:34,029 --> 00:37:31,880
don't know but it's an interesting

825
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:34,039
symbiosis that a temple they both

826
00:37:37,749 --> 00:37:35,569
amplify each other although the book

827
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:37,759
written by Mary Roach is a much

828
00:37:42,249 --> 00:37:39,049
different it's more about you know

829
00:37:44,499 --> 00:37:42,259
actually being in space and the the the

830
00:37:46,029 --> 00:37:44,509
normal weird things that people don't

831
00:37:47,799 --> 00:37:46,039
talk about you know that'd be like

832
00:37:49,799 --> 00:37:47,809
brushing your teeth or having sex in

833
00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:49,809
space and what that what that is like

834
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:52,700
ours is ours is of course a much more

835
00:37:56,979 --> 00:37:55,640
down the rabbit hole perspective of

836
00:37:59,339 --> 00:37:56,989
reality I think there's this line

837
00:38:03,460 --> 00:37:59,349
between people who believe that

838
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:03,470
technology as we're told or sold by NASA

839
00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:05,930
and the mainstream media is where we're

840
00:38:12,729 --> 00:38:09,380
at and and the and the line on the other

841
00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:12,739
side where there's people like you know

842
00:38:17,650 --> 00:38:14,420
like Andrew basiago and Laurie

843
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:17,660
Eisenhower and now Corey Goode and you

844
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,160
know and Randy Cramer and these people

845
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:21,920
that are emerging which are describing

846
00:38:26,349 --> 00:38:24,650
like a science fiction but would seem to

847
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:26,359
be a science fiction aspect of space

848
00:38:36,969 --> 00:38:33,890
travel that is going on Wow the we just

849
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:36,979
have someone came on board I haven't

850
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:38,690
seen for a long time how you doing Shay

851
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:44,450
Lee it's been a long time so as far as

852
00:38:50,650 --> 00:38:47,170
her book for some reason I was thinking

853
00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:50,660
you had kind of worked together so you

854
00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:54,140
have a you both had this same title was

855
00:39:00,009 --> 00:38:56,950
there any issues with that as far as a

856
00:39:02,319 --> 00:39:00,019
trip not trademark but copyright or

857
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:02,329
anything like that not that I know of I

858
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:04,609
think it's her book as a as a different

859
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:06,440
it starts with packing for Mars but it

860
00:39:09,999 --> 00:39:08,210
has a different title it's a it's a

861
00:39:12,789 --> 00:39:10,009
longer title I forget the exact number

862
00:39:14,799 --> 00:39:12,799
right now it's you know but it's it's

863
00:39:18,099 --> 00:39:14,809
packing from ours and something and then

864
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:18,109
ours is uh really not related and it's

865
00:39:23,049 --> 00:39:20,150
really a different topic and it's really

866
00:39:23,859 --> 00:39:23,059
it's hers as a book ours is a film you

867
00:39:25,690 --> 00:39:23,869
know it's just one of those

868
00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:25,700
synchronicities and universe that I

869
00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:28,940
think it's out there so as far as I know

870
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:30,619
I think it's just like I'd like to say

871
00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:33,110
you know great minds think alike

872
00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:37,460
yeah I have up I consider myself to have

873
00:39:44,140 --> 00:39:40,070
an open mind I also consider myself to

874
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:44,150
have a bit of skepticism as well but I

875
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:46,850
do and someone wants me to ask you a

876
00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:48,890
question I can't forget on the

877
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:51,940
simulation theory but I do want to say

878
00:40:03,580 --> 00:39:58,330
that no matter how far out someone goes

879
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:03,590
I still have no idea what the heck is

880
00:40:12,070 --> 00:40:08,330
going on and as far as what I'm into is

881
00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:12,080
UFOs and I think there's a lot of

882
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:14,660
connections between UFOs and a lot of

883
00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:18,850
other things but the bottom line is I

884
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:21,800
still have no I you know I've been doing

885
00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:24,050
the show for four years now and still

886
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:27,950
have no more of an idea of what UFOs are

887
00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:30,230
than when I started

888
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,040
I am hearing interesting takes by

889
00:40:42,070 --> 00:40:37,520
different people ideas and you know I'm

890
00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:42,080
sure that you have heard or you could

891
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:43,820
connect the dots for some of the things

892
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:46,370
you've heard that could be a possibility

893
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:49,010
of what they are whether they're

894
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:52,810
extraterrestrial interdimensional or

895
00:41:03,250 --> 00:40:55,490
both or something we haven't thought of

896
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:03,260
yet so as far as this show is about UFOs

897
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:05,570
we are going a bit off-topic this time

898
00:41:10,930 --> 00:41:08,570
and that's I usually am okay with doing

899
00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:10,940
that but you mentioned when you were

900
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:13,270
young you had an interest in UFOs and

901
00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:19,310
had you ever had a sighting I actually

902
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:21,320
had not had a sighting I'm one of those

903
00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:25,810
people that just was so taken and

904
00:41:33,460 --> 00:41:29,840
inspired by what I did find you know at

905
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:33,470
the time when I was 11 or 12 that I just

906
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:36,500
intuitively I think it was an early

907
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:38,990
thing an early experience in my life

908
00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:42,890
that made me turn to my inner voice you

909
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:46,280
know something in me said this is going

910
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:47,030
on this

911
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:50,960
is real this is happening and I'd never

912
00:41:58,210 --> 00:41:54,370
I think it really forged a lot of way

913
00:42:00,160 --> 00:41:58,220
deeply my personality in terms of how I

914
00:42:03,490 --> 00:42:00,170
set forth from that I think it was a

915
00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:03,500
turning point in my life in how I looked

916
00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:06,100
and viewed at reality around me because

917
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:09,320
generally here was this whole world of

918
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:11,650
UFOs happening and it was being

919
00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:14,960
completely ignored by the mainstream or

920
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:18,260
worse it was being ridiculed it to the

921
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:22,460
point where people describing their UFO

922
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,530
experiences and then later you know the

923
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,720
the Whitney strieber stuff came out you

924
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,400
know people were talking about being

925
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:31,040
abducted by these almond-shaped things

926
00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:34,280
and uh you know just generally if you're

927
00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:36,680
if you're being ridiculed and you're

928
00:42:41,710 --> 00:42:38,680
being exposed in the mainstream as a

929
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:41,720
lunatic it's gonna it's just really

930
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:45,730
going to deter the the healthy and open

931
00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:48,770
exploration of the subject matter and

932
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:50,390
you know that's probably one of the

933
00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:52,730
reasons why when I was you know I was or

934
00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:54,830
was really it was one of like I said it

935
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:56,600
was a foundational moment in my life but

936
00:43:00,910 --> 00:42:58,450
at that at some point then you kind of

937
00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:00,920
you're told to grow up and you have to

938
00:43:04,750 --> 00:43:02,630
integrate in society you know and then

939
00:43:07,090 --> 00:43:04,760
you you just kind of put it behind you

940
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,100
and that happened to me too I chew aliy

941
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:09,200
I had this fascination with UFOs but I

942
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:11,090
never had a sighting or never had any

943
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:13,130
kind of like being a peer or anything

944
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:15,710
like that I just had this sort of inner

945
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:17,390
knowing I left it and I figured well

946
00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:19,460
it's not my job to go out into the

947
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:22,070
universe and and convince people that

948
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:24,170
UFOs are real I figure if they're real

949
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:26,300
it's only a matter of time you know

950
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:28,010
someone will figure it out or it'll be

951
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:30,950
exposed and generally it'll be out there

952
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:32,930
and and and someone will tell us and

953
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,090
we'll find out but of course years went

954
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:37,040
by and this wasn't the case and then

955
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:39,050
when I you know when I read I think when

956
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:40,910
I when I got back into the whole subject

957
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:44,060
it was at a point where there was the

958
00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:46,310
the whole world of Exopolitics began

959
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:49,070
developing and I I remember that I tuned

960
00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:54,100
into Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan's

961
00:43:59,470 --> 00:43:55,430
Barcelona

962
00:44:00,819 --> 00:43:59,480
Exopolitics event in 2009 and they were

963
00:44:03,489 --> 00:44:00,829
talking about

964
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,499
at this thing Exopolitics and witnesses

965
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:05,599
and I thought wow this is cool witnesses

966
00:44:11,769 --> 00:44:07,369
and then eventually traced it back to

967
00:44:13,449 --> 00:44:11,779
this John Podesta as you know Alejandro

968
00:44:15,969 --> 00:44:13,459
was talking about earlier anything you

969
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:15,979
know this this um he was one of the

970
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:17,660
people that was a pivotal person

971
00:44:22,449 --> 00:44:19,190
involved in the whole disclosure thing

972
00:44:25,029 --> 00:44:22,459
in 2001 was Steven Greer so that there

973
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,039
were actually a whole lineup of

974
00:44:29,499 --> 00:44:27,920
astronauts and pilots and radar

975
00:44:32,109 --> 00:44:29,509
operators and people at you know are

976
00:44:33,609 --> 00:44:32,119
generally put in high positions of trust

977
00:44:36,489 --> 00:44:33,619
in society who are willing to come

978
00:44:38,469 --> 00:44:36,499
forward and it admit that they were that

979
00:44:40,959 --> 00:44:38,479
they had had experiences or sightings

980
00:44:43,269 --> 00:44:40,969
and had absolute factual evidence that

981
00:44:44,709 --> 00:44:43,279
this was going on really really

982
00:44:46,029 --> 00:44:44,719
fascinated me and I think was one of the

983
00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:46,039
reasons that I came back into my life

984
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:48,380
and made me sit up and take notice of it

985
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:51,890
again hmm yes I'm trying to remember who

986
00:44:57,339 --> 00:44:54,529
it was someone from way back in like the

987
00:44:59,380 --> 00:44:57,349
50s and 60s said that they hope in their

988
00:45:02,289 --> 00:44:59,390
lifetime hope they'll have the answer to

989
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,299
what UFOs are and they're long gone and

990
00:45:07,989 --> 00:45:04,880
so I don't expect that in my lifetime

991
00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:07,999
that we will know but it's certainly an

992
00:45:15,789 --> 00:45:12,380
interesting topic and I know what I saw

993
00:45:17,709 --> 00:45:15,799
I had a sighting and that I just can't

994
00:45:19,989 --> 00:45:17,719
figure out how could it ever be

995
00:45:21,939 --> 00:45:19,999
explained not that it was anything

996
00:45:25,380 --> 00:45:21,949
really dramatic it's just that it just

997
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:25,390
didn't fit the reality that I knew

998
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:27,890
here's another question since we're on

999
00:45:32,979 --> 00:45:30,140
the topic of UFOs do you think there are

1000
00:45:35,799 --> 00:45:32,989
there is any truth to claims of UFOs

1001
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:35,809
being operated with the mind do you

1002
00:45:42,939 --> 00:45:37,609
think this technology has already been

1003
00:45:45,219 --> 00:45:42,949
duplicated in black projects I've read a

1004
00:45:47,049 --> 00:45:45,229
little bit about this and I thought it

1005
00:45:49,569 --> 00:45:47,059
was interesting because the idea that I

1006
00:45:51,249 --> 00:45:49,579
mean there's there's a who was it that

1007
00:45:57,209 --> 00:45:51,259
was talking about this there was this

1008
00:46:01,989 --> 00:45:57,219
account of the skin of of a ship being

1009
00:46:04,779 --> 00:46:01,999
an area 51 and the the Hall of the ship

1010
00:46:06,549 --> 00:46:04,789
was like a living tissue that if you

1011
00:46:09,939 --> 00:46:06,559
touched it it would change that would

1012
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:09,949
react and it was interesting to think

1013
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,430
that the possibility exists that these

1014
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:14,720
crafts aren't

1015
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:19,250
chilly metallic machine like things but

1016
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:22,310
that they're actually in a way living

1017
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:24,170
organisms in their own right perhaps

1018
00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:26,750
even an extension of the mind or the

1019
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:28,940
body of the person who operates them and

1020
00:46:33,490 --> 00:46:31,940
that really is a I think that's really a

1021
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:33,500
fringe topic I mean that's something

1022
00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:35,290
that's really well but I do believe that

1023
00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:38,150
there's there these are these kinds of

1024
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:39,740
things there has to be room in the

1025
00:46:43,089 --> 00:46:41,300
universe for this and if there's a story

1026
00:46:45,099 --> 00:46:43,099
already out there about somebody who's

1027
00:46:47,980 --> 00:46:45,109
involved in it then I think it's pretty

1028
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,990
pretty much a given that it's it's a

1029
00:46:52,839 --> 00:46:50,960
it's high possibility that it's going on

1030
00:46:54,250 --> 00:46:52,849
if you want to entertain these ideas in

1031
00:46:55,930 --> 00:46:54,260
the beginning the first place I mean if

1032
00:46:58,990 --> 00:46:55,940
you want to if you want to believe the

1033
00:47:01,530 --> 00:46:59,000
premise of the 1947 Roswell crash and

1034
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:01,540
and and look to that as kind of a

1035
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:04,640
pivotal moment when reverse engineering

1036
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:06,890
began taking place in the United States

1037
00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:09,770
if not earlier going back to you know

1038
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:11,540
the days of the Nazis and the 30s and

1039
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:12,890
stuff on their connection with the white

1040
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:15,740
tall's but by the tall White's but I

1041
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,930
think essentially that this there's one

1042
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:19,760
thing going on where there's a there's

1043
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:22,280
there's ships that are mechanical and

1044
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:23,930
the other thing is that there seems to

1045
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:26,210
be higher dimensional things going on

1046
00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:28,130
and we now know through quantum physics

1047
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:31,820
and the development of you know parallel

1048
00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:36,050
universes and and you know tunneling

1049
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:39,020
through to other dimensions that that

1050
00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:41,089
there actually is higher there are

1051
00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:42,500
higher dimensions there are higher

1052
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,540
vibrational frequencies and and that

1053
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:46,720
there's actually there could be a whole

1054
00:47:51,130 --> 00:47:49,460
universe going on right parallel to the

1055
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:51,140
one we're living in but we just don't

1056
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:53,089
see it because just like we tune radio

1057
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:55,250
stations into a certain frequency

1058
00:48:01,290 --> 00:47:57,770
our senses are tuned to a particular

1059
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:01,300
particular bandwidth of visual audio

1060
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:04,190
sensory experience that that eliminates

1061
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:07,960
you know 99.9 percent of the universe so

1062
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:10,550
yeah I think it's quite conceivable that

1063
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:12,440
there's these these craft out here which

1064
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:16,250
are which are bio Jeannot bile genetic

1065
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:19,730
or biomechanical craft absolutely yeah I

1066
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:22,010
also think that eventually if we don't

1067
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:24,290
have that type of technology that

1068
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:28,190
eventually they will

1069
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:29,890
have something similar to that

1070
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,710
operational by thoughts you know it's

1071
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:35,660
just a matter of time you know with

1072
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:39,040
artificial intelligence coming in and

1073
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:43,910
developing all the time and speaking of

1074
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:47,180
that the other question that was similar

1075
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:50,329
to what you were just talking about and

1076
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:52,250
what propulsion or other advanced

1077
00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:54,530
technologies have you heard about and do

1078
00:48:58,089 --> 00:48:56,540
you think that these may already exact

1079
00:49:01,690 --> 00:48:58,099
exist examples

1080
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,700
anti-gravity gravity temporal drives

1081
00:49:06,490 --> 00:49:04,160
food replicators like the Replicators in

1082
00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:06,500
the fictional Star Trek series with

1083
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:08,270
regard to temporal drives do you think

1084
00:49:15,609 --> 00:49:10,390
this technology has something to do with

1085
00:49:17,650 --> 00:49:15,619
vibrational frequencies of matter yeah I

1086
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:17,660
think absolutely pitch them quite easily

1087
00:49:21,849 --> 00:49:19,630
czar these are like heavy questions

1088
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:21,859
they're cool they are very cool

1089
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:23,710
you know everything is frequency and

1090
00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:26,630
they absolutely I think of something to

1091
00:49:31,870 --> 00:49:30,260
do with frequencies of matter and you

1092
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:31,880
know an hour and and packing for Mars we

1093
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:34,760
have we have David Anderson talking

1094
00:49:39,460 --> 00:49:37,640
about you know what their the time

1095
00:49:41,859 --> 00:49:39,470
temporal devices that have been

1096
00:49:43,930 --> 00:49:41,869
developed you know of course outside of

1097
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:43,940
the mainstream again here but but we're

1098
00:49:49,089 --> 00:49:45,910
talking I mean he's talking about

1099
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:49,099
technologies that open up containment

1100
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:52,940
fields where they place matter like even

1101
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:56,390
seeds and plants into these containment

1102
00:50:01,599 --> 00:49:57,880
fields and they can actually watch them

1103
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:01,609
regress into back into seeds or forward

1104
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:05,000
into plants in real time so you know

1105
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:06,740
there are definitely and then we now

1106
00:50:12,099 --> 00:50:09,650
know from some of the testimony coming

1107
00:50:15,069 --> 00:50:12,109
up from Corey Goode that they've been

1108
00:50:18,730 --> 00:50:15,079
using time travel and time and time

1109
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:18,740
regression technologies to hide their

1110
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:22,490
programs and have the soldiers you know

1111
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:24,890
for example in programs for 10 or 20

1112
00:50:29,650 --> 00:50:27,950
years and then time regress them and age

1113
00:50:32,650 --> 00:50:29,660
we guessed them back to before they

1114
00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:32,660
actually went into the program and Corey

1115
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:35,390
Goode is an example of somebody who had

1116
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,599
you know they and Randy Cramer's another

1117
00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:40,640
one they were both in a similar program

1118
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:41,840
Randy Cramer's different

1119
00:50:45,370 --> 00:50:43,610
that he actually forgot the memories

1120
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:45,380
they actually because they wiped their

1121
00:50:50,170 --> 00:50:47,570
minds came back and had forgotten

1122
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,180
everything but gradually began to recall

1123
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:52,160
some of the memories quarry goods

1124
00:50:57,700 --> 00:50:54,350
different from ray Randy Cramer because

1125
00:50:59,830 --> 00:50:57,710
he never lost the memories he just had

1126
00:51:02,050 --> 00:50:59,840
this recollection of the stuff that was

1127
00:51:04,180 --> 00:51:02,060
going on and basically had to try and

1128
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:04,190
piece it together outside of the program

1129
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:08,090
in you know in a parallel life so it's

1130
00:51:15,610 --> 00:51:12,170
it's just really it's really wild to

1131
00:51:18,670 --> 00:51:15,620
think that they can use time-travel

1132
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:18,680
technologies to actually hide the

1133
00:51:27,580 --> 00:51:21,520
existence of time-travel technologies

1134
00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:27,590
hmm yeah sounds like a paradox almost I

1135
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,720
remember as a little kid saying they'll

1136
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:31,520
never invent a time machine because we

1137
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:34,690
never see anyone from the future that

1138
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:37,430
was kind of a joke I used to see it say

1139
00:51:45,570 --> 00:51:41,780
but do you actually think that there are

1140
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:45,580
people traveling back from the future I

1141
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,770
believe there are yeah I'm in my as in

1142
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:50,240
my personal opinion is that there are

1143
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:53,750
there are definitely people if they're

1144
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:55,490
not from another time they're definitely

1145
00:52:01,390 --> 00:51:58,040
coming from other dimensions have you

1146
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,400
ever heard of the chanee project no you

1147
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:03,920
know we got Duncan Rhodes the editor of

1148
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:05,930
Nexus magazine passed along some

1149
00:52:09,580 --> 00:52:08,090
interesting information to us that had

1150
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:09,590
been published actually years ago and it

1151
00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:11,540
was really interesting to know that

1152
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:15,820
there's a Hadron Collider in Africa and

1153
00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:19,910
during the 80s they were actually they'd

1154
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:23,860
created they sort of tunneled through to

1155
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:28,010
another universe that was parallel to

1156
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:30,700
ours and they made contact with an

1157
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:33,470
entity which began using a computer

1158
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,720
rather than a human being to channel

1159
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:37,760
information to answer questions and to

1160
00:52:44,860 --> 00:52:41,000
ask questions of this dimension of this

1161
00:52:47,650 --> 00:52:44,870
universe and so you know it's it sounds

1162
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:47,660
totally lights like science fiction but

1163
00:52:52,090 --> 00:52:49,550
I mean if you do any research on the

1164
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:52,100
d-wave computer and if you do any

1165
00:52:55,859 --> 00:52:54,170
research on the Mandela effect which you

1166
00:52:58,859 --> 00:52:55,869
may have heard about recently

1167
00:53:01,049 --> 00:52:58,869
you'll find out that that it actually is

1168
00:53:04,499 --> 00:53:01,059
is going on there actually were using

1169
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:04,509
these d-wave computers to solve problems

1170
00:53:08,999 --> 00:53:06,970
with other universes they're actually

1171
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:09,009
asking they're doing exactly that and

1172
00:53:13,019 --> 00:53:10,420
what people don't realize is that there

1173
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:13,029
isn't just a Hadron Collider in

1174
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:14,950
Switzerland that there's actually 14 of

1175
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:16,329
these things around the planet and

1176
00:53:21,299 --> 00:53:18,430
they've been using them for things that

1177
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:21,309
have really nothing to do figuring out

1178
00:53:25,859 --> 00:53:23,529
you know how the Big Bang took place and

1179
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:25,869
what the original particles are there's

1180
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,920
there's that they're actually doing

1181
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:28,720
tunneling through two other dimensions

1182
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:31,420
so whether it's time travel or whether

1183
00:53:36,029 --> 00:53:33,220
it's people coming through these portals

1184
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:36,039
I believe it absolutely is going on and

1185
00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:38,170
the changi project is basically a paper

1186
00:53:45,539 --> 00:53:43,390
that is a is it is the account of one of

1187
00:53:49,859 --> 00:53:45,549
the whistleblowers in the project who

1188
00:53:52,499 --> 00:53:49,869
was authorized to and as his role in the

1189
00:53:55,999 --> 00:53:52,509
project to analyze the data and to drop

1190
00:53:58,589 --> 00:53:56,009
bits of the information into specific

1191
00:54:00,210 --> 00:53:58,599
user groups and chat rooms around the

1192
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:00,220
internet began it's interesting to know

1193
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:03,730
that they actually use these groups out

1194
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:07,450
there like you know different specific

1195
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:09,849
user groups to actually really leak real

1196
00:54:14,190 --> 00:54:11,980
information they drop them in they drop

1197
00:54:16,829 --> 00:54:14,200
the information into these user groups

1198
00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:16,839
and they find out where we're at in

1199
00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:18,700
terms of you know where's where is the

1200
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:22,390
human mind at in terms of accepting and

1201
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:23,710
analyzing this kind of information

1202
00:54:27,329 --> 00:54:25,480
before they actually decide what they're

1203
00:54:30,479 --> 00:54:27,339
going to release the information or not

1204
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:30,489
so it's a really a fascinating story

1205
00:54:35,579 --> 00:54:32,470
about how you know this information

1206
00:54:37,499 --> 00:54:35,589
about this contact that they made with

1207
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:37,509
it with and this johnnie project was

1208
00:54:41,729 --> 00:54:39,819
dispersed and put out there and is

1209
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:41,739
really the cool stuff that comes in it

1210
00:54:46,529 --> 00:54:44,650
about the moon and an AR moon and and

1211
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,539
the moon and the other universe and

1212
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:49,140
highly recommend looking that up

1213
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:52,960
okay what about simulation theory that

1214
00:54:57,269 --> 00:54:54,930
was a question up on the message board

1215
00:55:00,660 --> 00:54:57,279
does that tie into any of the things

1216
00:55:02,609 --> 00:55:00,670
that you've looked into I haven't really

1217
00:55:05,489 --> 00:55:02,619
looked so much into that after it met

1218
00:55:08,579 --> 00:55:05,499
uh-huh I think the same guy in the

1219
00:55:09,060 --> 00:55:08,589
question and the message board asked the

1220
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:09,070
same

1221
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:11,050
question two another guess and they had

1222
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:15,280
the same answers you need well you know

1223
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:17,050
there's so many areas you can go into

1224
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:19,750
it's just I mean people often say like

1225
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:21,310
God how do you know all this stuff you

1226
00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:22,570
know do you remember all this stuff I

1227
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:24,790
only know a very small fraction I have

1228
00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:27,400
to say you know but and the other thing

1229
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:29,620
is when you're making a film you kind of

1230
00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:33,490
want to hone and focus because you learn

1231
00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:35,980
in filmmaking that it's important you

1232
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,990
know to follow a line through you can't

1233
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,000
just you could branch off into a hundred

1234
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:42,640
areas and the film would be 50 hours

1235
00:55:46,530 --> 00:55:44,050
long but if you want to make a film

1236
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:46,540
under two hours that explore something

1237
00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:49,810
as wacky is these two subjects and the

1238
00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:52,030
idea of being on Mars then you kind of

1239
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:53,560
have to limit yourself a little bit but

1240
00:55:58,410 --> 00:55:55,480
there definitely is you know we have a

1241
00:56:00,660 --> 00:55:58,420
large a large archive of Technology

1242
00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:00,670
information that we we can't really talk

1243
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:03,190
about but simulation Theory haven't

1244
00:56:06,450 --> 00:56:04,720
really had a chance to get into that him

1245
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:06,460
and the flatter thing that's sort of

1246
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:07,870
emerging now I did a little bit of

1247
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:09,910
exploratory stuff on it but yeah it is

1248
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:11,290
there's a lot of topics out there you

1249
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,720
could get into now I we talked a little

1250
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:15,520
bit earlier about the people that

1251
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:17,250
volunteered the candidates that

1252
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:20,830
volunteered to go to Mars and I know

1253
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:23,440
that your movie isn't really about that

1254
00:56:28,290 --> 00:56:26,070
but someone wanted to know if you ever

1255
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:28,300
interacted with any of those people that

1256
00:56:31,860 --> 00:56:30,130
volunteered have you ever spoke to

1257
00:56:34,650 --> 00:56:31,870
anyone that was one of the people that

1258
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:34,660
wanted to volunteer to go to that Mars

1259
00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:37,660
project well I spoke with Laura

1260
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,600
Eisenhower and she she wasn't really

1261
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:42,400
somebody that wanted to volunteer but

1262
00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:43,990
she was somebody that was approached to

1263
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,340
be a member of this offworld colony in

1264
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:53,680
her her you know she was reluctant to go

1265
00:56:58,170 --> 00:56:55,690
because her whole thing is about

1266
00:56:59,730 --> 00:56:58,180
hey let's solve our problems here you

1267
00:57:02,100 --> 00:56:59,740
know it's the alternative for right

1268
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:02,110
let's not let's not look for the escape

1269
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:05,050
hatch but let's actually fix things here

1270
00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:07,180
before we even go anywhere else because

1271
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:08,500
all we're going to do is carry the

1272
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:10,330
problems that we created here into the

1273
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:12,160
new world and I totally agree with her -

1274
00:57:18,570 --> 00:57:16,750
yeah that's a really good point yeah I

1275
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:18,580
mean there dude

1276
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:21,190
I think it would it's just our human

1277
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:22,330
nature

1278
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:24,850
we'd end up being territorial for one

1279
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:25,270
thing

1280
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:28,390
that's how a lot of most Wars start is

1281
00:57:36,330 --> 00:57:33,540
that you know territorial tribal as as

1282
00:57:42,180 --> 00:57:36,340
Stan Freedman would say we're tribal

1283
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:42,190
warfare yes we tend to be a species that

1284
00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:46,690
wants to be in tribes and and defend our

1285
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:48,760
tribe you know type of thing so I think

1286
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:52,270
I think we will bring the problems no

1287
00:57:58,380 --> 00:57:54,310
matter where we go but I think one of

1288
00:58:01,620 --> 00:57:58,390
the reasons for on off planet species is

1289
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:01,630
that you know the continuous the

1290
00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:03,430
continuation of the genome you know I

1291
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:08,140
mean to carry on you know humans instead

1292
00:58:13,770 --> 00:58:10,390
of being wiped out and it's not to say

1293
00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:13,780
that we're not I'm not going to rule out

1294
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,270
that we aren't carrying on here from

1295
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:17,680
somewhere else I think it's very

1296
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:24,490
possible yes and so let's see I did have

1297
00:58:28,530 --> 00:58:26,650
another question that came up do you

1298
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:28,540
think oh someone want to know this a

1299
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:31,330
little bit off subject do you think that

1300
00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:35,710
the Apollo spacecraft actually went to

1301
00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:38,590
the moon and Neil Armstrong and other

1302
00:58:45,630 --> 00:58:43,480
people actually walked on the moon well

1303
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:45,640
we we definitely get into that in

1304
00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:50,620
packing for Mars we we go by the premise

1305
00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:54,940
that they did go there what's different

1306
00:59:01,410 --> 00:58:59,170
in in our film is that we bring out the

1307
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:01,420
information presented by lucas canton

1308
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:05,350
Bordeaux which ties in Apollo 19 and 20

1309
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:07,570
missions which allegedly never took

1310
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:07,930
place

1311
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:11,310
on the one hand and on the other hand

1312
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:14,410
the idea that the people that we see

1313
00:59:21,870 --> 00:59:17,610
taking the first step on the moon in

1314
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:21,880
1969 were actually not the people who

1315
00:59:27,330 --> 00:59:24,130
were taking the first step and that that

1316
00:59:30,330 --> 00:59:27,340
footage that we see was actually shot

1317
00:59:32,460 --> 00:59:30,340
three years earlier in 1966 and the

1318
00:59:35,820 --> 00:59:32,470
person who's taking that step is a

1319
00:59:36,059 --> 00:59:35,830
military astronaut while Buzz Aldrin and

1320
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:36,069
Neil

1321
00:59:41,009 --> 00:59:38,410
Armstrong were actually in the project

1322
00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:41,019
red Sun missions who are ready on their

1323
00:59:47,339 --> 00:59:43,900
way to Mars and that they actually may

1324
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,349
have been on the red planet while these

1325
00:59:51,269 --> 00:59:49,839
things that were supposedly happening in

1326
00:59:53,939 --> 00:59:51,279
the timeframe they were presented to us

1327
00:59:56,339 --> 00:59:53,949
on the moon were happening so you know

1328
00:59:57,809 --> 00:59:56,349
there's a lot of controversy alone on

1329
00:59:59,699 --> 00:59:57,819
the Apollo missions whether they took

1330
01:00:02,039 --> 00:59:59,709
place because there's a lot of course

1331
01:00:06,269 --> 01:00:02,049
photographic evidence that suggests that

1332
01:00:08,579 --> 01:00:06,279
the material was shot in studios and I

1333
01:00:11,189 --> 01:00:08,589
think I think you know it's quite it's

1334
01:00:13,319 --> 01:00:11,199
quite legitimate in it it's quite and

1335
01:00:14,999 --> 01:00:13,329
it's a fact too that some of the stuff

1336
01:00:17,999 --> 01:00:15,009
was shot in studios the only question

1337
01:00:21,539 --> 01:00:18,009
that remains is why was it shot in

1338
01:00:23,849 --> 01:00:21,549
studios was it the only thing they shot

1339
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:23,859
or was it supplementary footage because

1340
01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:25,569
they had you know what people often

1341
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:27,940
don't know about or don't really think

1342
01:00:31,799 --> 01:00:29,529
about so much because it's starting to

1343
01:00:34,890 --> 01:00:31,809
go back and fade into history is that

1344
01:00:36,809 --> 01:00:34,900
there was this you know there's this

1345
01:00:38,969 --> 01:00:36,819
rivalry between Russia and the United

1346
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:38,979
States you know in the space race to get

1347
01:00:42,989 --> 01:00:40,690
to the moon and there was this it was

1348
01:00:45,809 --> 01:00:42,999
this bravado who could be there first

1349
01:00:47,819 --> 01:00:45,819
you know who had the the technology that

1350
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:47,829
the person that would step on the moon

1351
01:00:52,410 --> 01:00:50,410
first would be the person there would be

1352
01:00:54,959 --> 01:00:52,420
the company the country that would show

1353
01:00:55,890 --> 01:00:54,969
its dominance and supremacy and going

1354
01:00:58,890 --> 01:00:55,900
back to what you were saying about

1355
01:01:00,509 --> 01:00:58,900
tribes just a few minutes ago so you

1356
01:01:02,579 --> 01:01:00,519
know that was going on so there's so

1357
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:02,589
many different aspects of these Apollo

1358
01:01:07,979 --> 01:01:05,890
programs that need to be clarified that

1359
01:01:10,439 --> 01:01:07,989
again here is another broad subject we

1360
01:01:12,509 --> 01:01:10,449
decided to put a narrow focus on alone

1361
01:01:14,370 --> 01:01:12,519
the idea that there was a 19 and 20

1362
01:01:16,019 --> 01:01:14,380
mission and what those missions were

1363
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:16,029
about and what the whistleblowers that

1364
01:01:21,299 --> 01:01:18,130
were discussing this with Lucas Canton

1365
01:01:23,249 --> 01:01:21,309
berlo's in our film told us about and

1366
01:01:25,709 --> 01:01:23,259
what they found on the moon is

1367
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:25,719
fascinating stuff alone in itself and it

1368
01:01:30,449 --> 01:01:27,369
shows that what's going on in the dark

1369
01:01:33,749 --> 01:01:30,459
side of the Moon is something which we

1370
01:01:36,269 --> 01:01:33,759
have yet to really explore and to talk

1371
01:01:38,130 --> 01:01:36,279
about openly in public and you know we

1372
01:01:39,539 --> 01:01:38,140
try to we try to you know what's one of

1373
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:39,549
the things we really want to do with

1374
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:41,170
bagging for Mars is is to get the

1375
01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:42,729
discussion out into the open so that

1376
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:44,380
these things aren't forgotten and not

1377
01:01:48,689 --> 01:01:46,089
only that I think one of the key factors

1378
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:48,699
here is some of the information that's

1379
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:49,690
out there

1380
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:52,540
is contaminated and it's been whenever

1381
01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:55,030
there's contamination on footage or

1382
01:02:00,240 --> 01:01:57,790
material that reaches the public through

1383
01:02:03,690 --> 01:02:00,250
YouTube or wherever it's immediately

1384
01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:03,700
dismissed as as being fraud or fake but

1385
01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:06,040
what we found in working with Luca and

1386
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:08,080
the research of packing for Mars is that

1387
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:11,440
there actually is a code here that's

1388
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:13,150
being developed by the people who are

1389
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:14,650
the whistleblowers who were part of

1390
01:02:20,190 --> 01:02:16,690
these projects there's little signatures

1391
01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:20,200
little signs of information that appear

1392
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:22,630
in this footage that hamp toward the

1393
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:24,610
bigger picture the characters involved

1394
01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:28,450
the timeframe involved and and it might

1395
01:02:33,390 --> 01:02:30,340
be their only way for them to lead

1396
01:02:35,310 --> 01:02:33,400
breadcrumbs for us behind so that in the

1397
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:35,320
future when we can when it's safe to

1398
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:38,290
finally reveal you know what's been

1399
01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:39,670
going on what's been kept from the

1400
01:02:44,310 --> 01:02:42,520
public they they've left us those

1401
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:44,320
breadcrumbs to help find the solution

1402
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:47,680
down the road you know I mentioned I

1403
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:49,810
believe that we landed on the moon when

1404
01:02:56,790 --> 01:02:51,970
we said that we did that's just my own

1405
01:02:59,940 --> 01:02:56,800
thoughts but also of the the Lunar

1406
01:03:05,760 --> 01:02:59,950
Reconnaissance Orbiter has several

1407
01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:05,770
pictures of of the wood camera and what

1408
01:03:08,970 --> 01:03:07,420
they call those that land actually

1409
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:08,980
landed on the moon

1410
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:14,710
so there's several pictures of evidence

1411
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:16,720
with even footprints you can see and

1412
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:20,040
everything and the wrote the little uh I

1413
01:03:24,270 --> 01:03:22,930
forget what they call their little

1414
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,280
Rovers that they had there

1415
01:03:29,490 --> 01:03:26,160
I think they were called Rovers but

1416
01:03:31,230 --> 01:03:29,500
anyway we called Rovers you can see all

1417
01:03:32,850 --> 01:03:31,240
that and I did mention that to someone

1418
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:32,860
that said we never landed on the moon

1419
01:03:40,820 --> 01:03:35,440
and he said oh well they were put there

1420
01:03:43,830 --> 01:03:40,830
afterwards to cover the tracks so like

1421
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:43,840
you can get on the conspiracy theories

1422
01:03:49,470 --> 01:03:47,440
on this but you you know to just not

1423
01:03:51,330 --> 01:03:49,480
look at the evidence and actually see

1424
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:51,340
the evidence and then shy away from it I

1425
01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:52,930
don't know look we might as well assume

1426
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:54,550
that they happen there's just there are

1427
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:56,830
so many people involved and if that was

1428
01:04:01,170 --> 01:03:58,210
a conspiracy then there's really

1429
01:04:02,770 --> 01:04:01,180
thousands of people that were actors and

1430
01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:02,780
think dozen or something

1431
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:05,150
yeah I think it's I think it's I don't

1432
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:09,050
think it serves anyone to to use to go

1433
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:11,210
that direction I think it's better to to

1434
01:04:16,750 --> 01:04:13,630
just accept that they took place but

1435
01:04:18,940 --> 01:04:16,760
there's much more that happened then you

1436
01:04:20,860 --> 01:04:18,950
know then what they told us so I think

1437
01:04:24,210 --> 01:04:20,870
it has more it's more interesting to

1438
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:24,220
explore a conspiracy if you want of

1439
01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:27,500
things that they found that they didn't

1440
01:04:30,850 --> 01:04:28,910
share with the rest of us you know which

1441
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:30,860
is what you know Hosea Escamilla is

1442
01:04:34,780 --> 01:04:33,260
showing in his films and JJ hurtak was

1443
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:34,790
also in our film talks about you know

1444
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:38,240
things that he saw very early on and his

1445
01:04:43,050 --> 01:04:41,090
connections with JPL Jet Propulsion labs

1446
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:43,060
in the United States that showed

1447
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:47,990
structures and you know evidence serious

1448
01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:50,510
solid evidence that and then later of

1449
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:52,070
course Ken Johnson you know we were

1450
01:04:55,540 --> 01:04:53,570
talking about the the Mars one mission

1451
01:04:58,690 --> 01:04:55,550
surly er and this whole thing that took

1452
01:05:02,800 --> 01:04:58,700
place we were approached by Ken Johnston

1453
01:05:04,930 --> 01:05:02,810
who was a actually one of the people who

1454
01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:04,940
were training the Apollo astronauts and

1455
01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:06,800
he later in his life he never actually

1456
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:08,540
went but he was an astronaut he was a

1457
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:10,370
civilian astronaut and he was involved

1458
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:11,930
in developing the technology and

1459
01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:13,850
troubleshooting and technology in the

1460
01:05:19,690 --> 01:05:17,780
Apollo program and later became and put

1461
01:05:23,530 --> 01:05:19,700
it was put in charge of the photographic

1462
01:05:28,030 --> 01:05:23,540
archive and he came up to us you know

1463
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:28,040
when we were in in Macomb or was it an

1464
01:05:33,610 --> 01:05:30,970
Arizona for the UFO congress and he

1465
01:05:35,350 --> 01:05:33,620
substantiated what we had in the film he

1466
01:05:37,780 --> 01:05:35,360
thanked us for putting the film out and

1467
01:05:40,690 --> 01:05:37,790
he showed us pictures that he had

1468
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:40,700
basically had in his archive which were

1469
01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:42,980
the unsmirched versions of the pictures

1470
01:05:47,260 --> 01:05:45,230
that we put in the film and that Jose

1471
01:05:50,530 --> 01:05:47,270
had put in some of his hills his films

1472
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:50,540
that clearly show cities and domes and

1473
01:05:55,780 --> 01:05:53,450
lights and infrastructure going on that

1474
01:05:57,460 --> 01:05:55,790
we never ever really hear about and he

1475
01:05:59,020 --> 01:05:57,470
was actually interestingly enough

1476
01:06:01,090 --> 01:05:59,030
telling us about his experience of

1477
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:01,100
walking into a certain room where he saw

1478
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:03,230
a whole lot of people sitting around

1479
01:06:07,450 --> 01:06:05,690
negatives who told them they were the

1480
01:06:09,970 --> 01:06:07,460
professional strippers as he put it

1481
01:06:11,890 --> 01:06:09,980
because their job was to go through the

1482
01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:11,900
photographic archive and strip out

1483
01:06:16,210 --> 01:06:14,540
things that they didn't think we needed

1484
01:06:18,970 --> 01:06:16,220
to see so

1485
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:18,980
I mean obviously the better conspiracy

1486
01:06:24,099 --> 01:06:21,680
to explore and put pressure on is the

1487
01:06:25,540 --> 01:06:24,109
one about what did they find what is up

1488
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:25,550
there and what did they do with it and

1489
01:06:29,650 --> 01:06:27,609
why did they not tell us about it

1490
01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:29,660
someone on the message board said

1491
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:32,590
earlier in I have to agree with them

1492
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:37,450
Shane said NASA if NASA edited one

1493
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:40,880
picture alone and that's evidence that

1494
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:43,849
there is something going on absolutely

1495
01:06:49,570 --> 01:06:47,450
yeah and it's just it's always that one

1496
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:49,580
thing I was like everyone tends to kind

1497
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:51,410
of bury that's one of the techniques I

1498
01:06:56,020 --> 01:06:52,910
think they used to they just bury you

1499
01:06:57,820 --> 01:06:56,030
with with uh with cases and then you

1500
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,830
everyone starts talking about you know

1501
01:07:00,970 --> 01:06:59,359
which one is real and which one isn't

1502
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:00,980
but they forget the fact that hey if

1503
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:03,170
only one of them is real that's all we

1504
01:07:08,770 --> 01:07:05,690
need you know it's just it's it's crazy

1505
01:07:11,859 --> 01:07:08,780
the same thing with UFOs really

1506
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:11,869
absolutely its head I'll take one it's a

1507
01:07:17,170 --> 01:07:15,440
sick yeah and unfortunately we don't

1508
01:07:19,630 --> 01:07:17,180
have that evidence so you know there's

1509
01:07:21,849 --> 01:07:19,640
trace evidence there's oh yeah they've

1510
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:21,859
destroyed so much of it Martin it's just

1511
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,839
like Ken Johnson has a very small he's a

1512
01:07:27,970 --> 01:07:26,480
small portion of the full archive in it

1513
01:07:30,220 --> 01:07:27,980
it's just outrageous to think that

1514
01:07:33,310 --> 01:07:30,230
somebody would Commission the

1515
01:07:35,050 --> 01:07:33,320
destruction or you know the the the

1516
01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:35,060
material that they gathered would just

1517
01:07:39,099 --> 01:07:36,980
vanish and disappear and that they would

1518
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:39,109
just destroy it I mean that was what

1519
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:41,750
alarmed him is he was he was told get

1520
01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:44,570
rid of it he wasn't told to destroy it

1521
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:46,040
so much in terms of through code

1522
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:48,290
language like you know get rid of it

1523
01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:50,450
dispose of it meaning that it wasn't

1524
01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:51,740
because otherwise it would have been a

1525
01:07:56,410 --> 01:07:53,480
crime for him to take it and put it out

1526
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,420
into the public domain years later but

1527
01:07:59,920 --> 01:07:58,400
he you know he was never given it in so

1528
01:08:01,390 --> 01:07:59,930
many words to actually destroy it he was

1529
01:08:04,540 --> 01:08:01,400
just told to get rid of it so his way of

1530
01:08:06,370 --> 01:08:04,550
getting rid of it was to make a copy to

1531
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:06,380
give a copy to one person and keep the

1532
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:08,210
rest for himself and later to published

1533
01:08:12,210 --> 01:08:10,430
information years down the road which is

1534
01:08:15,609 --> 01:08:12,220
what he's doing right now

1535
01:08:21,849 --> 01:08:19,140
why don't you in your own words describe

1536
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:21,859
the use of a technique of hiding things

1537
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:24,560
out in the open to contaminate the truth

1538
01:08:30,599 --> 01:08:28,960
I know that was Paul I think

1539
01:08:32,519 --> 01:08:30,609
it yeah that's that that's a that's a

1540
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:32,529
good question I mean I think generally

1541
01:08:41,070 --> 01:08:37,690
they they use fiction and for me

1542
01:08:43,740 --> 01:08:41,080
alternative three is pretty much a good

1543
01:08:47,789 --> 01:08:43,750
starting point because allegedly and

1544
01:08:49,650 --> 01:08:47,799
apparently Leslie really did put down

1545
01:08:53,249 --> 01:08:49,660
something which you know someone like

1546
01:08:55,670 --> 01:08:53,259
made Brussels who's you know in American

1547
01:08:58,999 --> 01:08:55,680
history probably one of the greatest

1548
01:09:02,579 --> 01:08:59,009
researchers you know of your country

1549
01:09:05,070 --> 01:09:02,589
wrote and said was probably the most

1550
01:09:07,380 --> 01:09:05,080
dangerous book in her library and this

1551
01:09:08,729 --> 01:09:07,390
is not to be taken lightly because if

1552
01:09:10,050 --> 01:09:08,739
you do any kind of research on may

1553
01:09:12,090 --> 01:09:10,060
Brussels you realized and now she's

1554
01:09:13,890 --> 01:09:12,100
somebody that actually predicted you

1555
01:09:16,349 --> 01:09:13,900
know the assassination of Bobby Kennedy

1556
01:09:18,180 --> 01:09:16,359
two weeks before it happened based on

1557
01:09:21,390 --> 01:09:18,190
the evidence that she'd gathered and she

1558
01:09:24,209 --> 01:09:21,400
approached them with so I mean this kind

1559
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:24,219
of reality that's going on there is

1560
01:09:28,590 --> 01:09:26,950
oh it can only really be you know

1561
01:09:31,019 --> 01:09:28,600
because you have to ask yourself how can

1562
01:09:33,690 --> 01:09:31,029
they keep something as secret as big as

1563
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:33,700
this quiet all these years because

1564
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:35,410
obviously someone's going to talk about

1565
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,210
it somewhere you know someone's going to

1566
01:09:40,349 --> 01:09:38,799
get the information out there and I

1567
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:40,359
think that's one of the things that they

1568
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:43,960
do is they publish books and magazines

1569
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:46,600
I'm not saying Leslie was and actually I

1570
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:48,370
asked him that I interviewed Leslie you

1571
01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:50,350
know recently and you can you can find

1572
01:09:55,979 --> 01:09:52,120
that into that entry interview up on our

1573
01:09:57,540 --> 01:09:55,989
website and he I asked him has it a you

1574
01:09:59,160 --> 01:09:57,550
nation come on tell me were you one of

1575
01:10:01,650 --> 01:09:59,170
the guys you know that was put out there

1576
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:01,660
to tell the truth and as fiction and and

1577
01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:03,790
he you know he just laughed and denied

1578
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:06,040
it but I think there's possibility that

1579
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:07,690
he actually was tuning into it because

1580
01:10:11,459 --> 01:10:09,600
all of us are connected to this

1581
01:10:13,170 --> 01:10:11,469
electromagnetic field that I talked

1582
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:13,180
about with the chronovisor that all the

1583
01:10:17,970 --> 01:10:15,400
information that's ever been documented

1584
01:10:20,270 --> 01:10:17,980
thought you know and done is sort of out

1585
01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:20,280
there like a giant electromagnetic

1586
01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:23,620
Akashic record we know which there's

1587
01:10:27,390 --> 01:10:25,390
scientific evidence for which you know

1588
01:10:28,770 --> 01:10:27,400
we just we just discuss with someone

1589
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:28,780
like Michael Persinger in solar

1590
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:31,600
revolution but I think that the best way

1591
01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:33,610
for them to keep these secrets is to

1592
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,860
really just flood the market and you

1593
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:37,600
know being somebody like yourself who's

1594
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:40,719
into UFOs you know it's it's amazing to

1595
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:42,580
see how many I read

1596
01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:44,710
somewhere I think once for every for

1597
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:46,720
every UFO publication that's out there

1598
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:49,210
every sincere publication that's out

1599
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:51,490
there there's 50 that are published by

1600
01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:56,080
the CIA you know so you know you realize

1601
01:11:00,600 --> 01:10:58,150
that the best way to basically keep

1602
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:00,610
things muddy and to keep things

1603
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:02,970
distorted is to just flood the

1604
01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:06,850
information market with partial truths

1605
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:10,630
or complete phony stuff and so a lot of

1606
01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:12,310
that is going on so it's really it's

1607
01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:14,140
really up to us to kind of use

1608
01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:17,620
discernment and know when it's important

1609
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:20,950
to gather something and hold on to it

1610
01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:23,770
and compare it and when it's you know

1611
01:11:28,380 --> 01:11:25,830
when you have to throw it out I think

1612
01:11:32,190 --> 01:11:28,390
essentially you know we just the best

1613
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:32,200
way to identify it is usually the bigger

1614
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:36,250
the lie that's told more likely going to

1615
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:37,570
be true you know it's almost like

1616
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:38,770
everything they're telling us in the

1617
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:40,960
mainstream I've come to believe is 180

1618
01:11:45,180 --> 01:11:43,360
degrees from the truth so if they're

1619
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:45,190
telling you that we're not on Mars we're

1620
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:47,290
on Mars you know if they're telling you

1621
01:11:52,770 --> 01:11:50,250
that that it was a terrorist operation

1622
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:52,780
that took place it's likely going to be

1623
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:55,120
was a false flag operation you know that

1624
01:11:59,370 --> 01:11:57,250
telling you everything that they're

1625
01:12:02,640 --> 01:11:59,380
telling us in the educational system if

1626
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:02,650
we know that now from the science that's

1627
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:05,650
emerging is limited you know like we we

1628
01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:07,390
work with Klaus Dona you know cause

1629
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:09,580
Donna's an Austrian artifacts researcher

1630
01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:11,680
who's finding evidence of civilization

1631
01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:14,140
and technology that goes back thousands

1632
01:12:17,370 --> 01:12:16,060
and thousands hundreds of thousands of

1633
01:12:21,210 --> 01:12:17,380
years that seem to be clearly

1634
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:21,220
documenting things that took place on

1635
01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:23,830
the planet and historically which are

1636
01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:28,300
completely ignored by our our media I

1637
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:30,190
mean there's you know others there's

1638
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:32,140
some you didn't probably didn't see this

1639
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:33,940
in the film but if you go to the website

1640
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:35,850
on one of the pages you see these these

1641
01:12:42,140 --> 01:12:39,760
artifacts and you see these faces of or

1642
01:12:45,570 --> 01:12:42,150
these depictions of extraterrestrials or

1643
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:45,580
extraterrestrial et or UFOs and all

1644
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:47,110
these things going on these these are

1645
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:49,570
real artifacts that they found in palos

1646
01:12:53,850 --> 01:12:51,910
d Eliska and you know we're in touch

1647
01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:53,860
with people that are down in researching

1648
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:55,900
this for ten years and the aughts lon

1649
01:12:59,549 --> 01:12:56,530
this is

1650
01:13:01,799 --> 01:12:59,559
well you know group of there's this

1651
01:13:03,569 --> 01:13:01,809
whole area of Mexico where there seems

1652
01:13:05,790 --> 01:13:03,579
to be a civilization where there's

1653
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:05,800
hundreds of artifacts they found that

1654
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:07,510
are showing us that there was technology

1655
01:13:12,930 --> 01:13:10,510
and a whole civilization that seemed to

1656
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,940
be spacefaring that would obviously

1657
01:13:17,250 --> 01:13:15,520
contradict completely the picture that

1658
01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:17,260
we've been taught in our educational

1659
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:19,960
system about history and about Egypt or

1660
01:13:24,419 --> 01:13:22,030
about the pyramids and the cultures

1661
01:13:26,459 --> 01:13:24,429
around the world so I think essentially

1662
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:26,469
you know everything you see in the

1663
01:13:31,799 --> 01:13:29,409
mainstream for the most part is as

1664
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:31,809
though as a wash over to kind of keep

1665
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:34,329
the status quo to keep the level of

1666
01:13:40,770 --> 01:13:38,230
information very diluted and to control

1667
01:13:42,959 --> 01:13:40,780
sort of you know the the mindset of the

1668
01:13:44,970 --> 01:13:42,969
population because you know this whole

1669
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:44,980
going back to your tribe analogy again

1670
01:13:49,740 --> 01:13:47,770
is that there seems to be a group of

1671
01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:49,750
people out there who are profiting from

1672
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:54,550
the exploitation of of the the human

1673
01:13:59,250 --> 01:13:57,010
consumer spirit you know to keep us

1674
01:14:01,229 --> 01:13:59,260
dumbed down in the media to keep us

1675
01:14:03,899 --> 01:14:01,239
occupied with meaningless things that

1676
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:03,909
are going on yeah anyway I've been going

1677
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:08,110
on probably know about that oh yeah no

1678
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:12,000
interesting uh one of the things I I

1679
01:14:17,129 --> 01:14:15,130
think about I mean I I agree with part

1680
01:14:21,779 --> 01:14:17,139
of that I don't think that everything

1681
01:14:22,919 --> 01:14:21,789
the mainstream tells us is is false I

1682
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:22,929
think there's a lot of really good

1683
01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:25,570
science out there but I also think that

1684
01:14:34,770 --> 01:14:28,270
a lot of times in the science community

1685
01:14:38,189 --> 01:14:34,780
that they are reluctant to give up ideas

1686
01:14:40,350 --> 01:14:38,199
if solid ideas if something new comes

1687
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:40,360
along and that's not really what science

1688
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:42,130
is supposed to be like but I do think

1689
01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:45,190
that something orin-san Kowski told us

1690
01:14:48,839 --> 01:14:46,630
you know there's a famous quote he was a

1691
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:48,849
penguin he was 92 when we talked to him

1692
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:51,280
he said that for any kind of new science

1693
01:14:56,729 --> 01:14:54,520
to to evolve and to emerge it's like an

1694
01:14:59,370 --> 01:14:56,739
old generation of scientists must first

1695
01:15:01,709 --> 01:14:59,380
die off you know a new generation to get

1696
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:01,719
their ideas through and I'm personally

1697
01:15:08,549 --> 01:15:04,960
in touch with a you know a scientist who

1698
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,559
has developed new fuel technologies and

1699
01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:10,239
new propulsion technology

1700
01:15:15,209 --> 01:15:12,820
which are way advanced way in advance of

1701
01:15:18,779 --> 01:15:15,219
what's being used now by NASA and by the

1702
01:15:20,819 --> 01:15:18,789
European Space Agency's and you know

1703
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:20,829
this technology was developed you know

1704
01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:23,409
decades ago and it was approached and he

1705
01:15:26,729 --> 01:15:25,030
was if he approached them with it but

1706
01:15:29,879 --> 01:15:26,739
but essentially they weren't interested

1707
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:29,889
and you know I'm not saying any I agree

1708
01:15:36,029 --> 01:15:32,530
with you okay not all of what we see in

1709
01:15:37,890 --> 01:15:36,039
the mainstream is is faked but a lot of

1710
01:15:41,729 --> 01:15:37,900
the stuff in the mainstream that has to

1711
01:15:43,379 --> 01:15:41,739
do with maintaining the status quo is I

1712
01:15:44,970 --> 01:15:43,389
mean you know their daily reports of

1713
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:44,980
local events and things like that yes

1714
01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:47,440
you know I can totally agree that

1715
01:15:52,259 --> 01:15:49,480
there's no point that's a conspiracy

1716
01:15:53,370 --> 01:15:52,269
here I'm just talking about you know

1717
01:15:55,649 --> 01:15:53,380
mind

1718
01:15:58,739 --> 01:15:55,659
I mean controlling mainstream events

1719
01:16:01,589 --> 01:15:58,749
like things that happened like nine one

1720
01:16:04,890 --> 01:16:01,599
one you know or nine one one is a symbol

1721
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:04,900
really for kind of a pivotal point where

1722
01:16:09,259 --> 01:16:06,489
we've reached the point where the whole

1723
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:09,269
world could could witness an event

1724
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:12,610
simultaneously that would shock them and

1725
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:17,050
put them into such a state of shock that

1726
01:16:19,890 --> 01:16:19,510
it can influence them for generations to

1727
01:16:22,049 --> 01:16:19,900
come

1728
01:16:24,750 --> 01:16:22,059
and the mainstream was how they used to

1729
01:16:26,939 --> 01:16:24,760
what they used to get that spread around

1730
01:16:28,919 --> 01:16:26,949
the world so it's a very dangerous tool

1731
01:16:30,180 --> 01:16:28,929
at the same time it's also very powerful

1732
01:16:31,979 --> 01:16:30,190
tool and I think the people that are in

1733
01:16:35,009 --> 01:16:31,989
charge of these technologies these

1734
01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:35,019
mainstream have been using networks they

1735
01:16:38,729 --> 01:16:37,150
know that very well and you know sure

1736
01:16:41,399 --> 01:16:38,739
every now and then something does leak

1737
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:41,409
out and it's up to us to be diligent and

1738
01:16:46,109 --> 01:16:44,050
to capture that and to be to be looking

1739
01:16:47,609 --> 01:16:46,119
out for it just how many of us are

1740
01:16:50,549 --> 01:16:47,619
though you know that's the question

1741
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:50,559
mmm one of the things I was thinking

1742
01:16:57,569 --> 01:16:54,249
about if there are claims that there was

1743
01:17:00,649 --> 01:16:57,579
actually we're actually on Mars or have

1744
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:00,659
been there or actually colonized there

1745
01:17:08,009 --> 01:17:05,130
how again we're going back to the Apollo

1746
01:17:09,930 --> 01:17:08,019
missions how many thousands of people

1747
01:17:14,009 --> 01:17:09,940
would have to be involved and how could

1748
01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:14,019
they all keep it secret well and

1749
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:15,460
missions like that there weren't that

1750
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:17,679
the thing is there weren't as many

1751
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:20,530
people involved in these branch off

1752
01:17:24,180 --> 01:17:23,530
missions and I think what we're talking

1753
01:17:27,170 --> 01:17:24,190
about here

1754
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:27,180
is a game that's breakaway civilization

1755
01:17:33,450 --> 01:17:30,400
who have over the last I think it goes

1756
01:17:38,010 --> 01:17:33,460
back to you could almost say it goes

1757
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:38,020
back to what Admiral Byrd found you know

1758
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:39,280
which is what's emerging with like

1759
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:41,080
William Tompkins you know he's he's sort

1760
01:17:46,140 --> 01:17:43,450
of substantiating a lot of that history

1761
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:46,150
that that picture of history were there

1762
01:17:52,140 --> 01:17:48,810
was an interaction going back to the 30s

1763
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:52,150
where the the Nazis were already

1764
01:17:56,730 --> 01:17:54,250
developing this technology in cahoots

1765
01:17:59,520 --> 01:17:56,740
with an extraterrestrial race and they

1766
01:18:02,820 --> 01:17:59,530
were taking it far away outside of the

1767
01:18:06,030 --> 01:18:02,830
view of the rest of us so these these

1768
01:18:08,430 --> 01:18:06,040
projects aren't taking place necessarily

1769
01:18:09,810 --> 01:18:08,440
right under our noses they're actually

1770
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:09,820
be there they're actually taking place

1771
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:12,370
in remote regions and specially select

1772
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:14,140
the people are involved in these Pete

1773
01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:15,490
and these projects and there could

1774
01:18:18,980 --> 01:18:16,840
easily be thousands of people involved

1775
01:18:21,390 --> 01:18:18,990
in such projects and through the use of

1776
01:18:25,710 --> 01:18:21,400
non-disclosure contracts that pretty

1777
01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:25,720
much are airtight it can keep a lot of

1778
01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:27,940
Technology out of the mainstream and out

1779
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,230
of the public eye even out of the

1780
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:31,840
science because essentially what you

1781
01:18:36,020 --> 01:18:33,610
know what Kerry was talking to us about

1782
01:18:38,190 --> 01:18:36,030
in the film is that essentially the the

1783
01:18:40,650 --> 01:18:38,200
mainstream science programs out there

1784
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:40,660
are like them like a thinker like a

1785
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:42,490
filtering system where the most

1786
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:44,760
brilliant minds of those programs

1787
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:48,310
basically are are vetted and then later

1788
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:51,610
moved into these covert programs that

1789
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:53,050
are taking place either in deep

1790
01:18:58,740 --> 01:18:55,210
underground military bases around the

1791
01:19:01,650 --> 01:18:58,750
world in remote areas of the desert or

1792
01:19:04,290 --> 01:19:01,660
in remote areas of South South Africa or

1793
01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:04,300
South America where and it's there's

1794
01:19:07,950 --> 01:19:05,500
cool some cool if you look at the

1795
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:07,960
footage and that we've put into packing

1796
01:19:13,230 --> 01:19:09,910
for Mars that we got from Lucas Canton

1797
01:19:15,420 --> 01:19:13,240
Barlow you see you know the the parts of

1798
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:15,430
the rockets that are breaking off you

1799
01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:17,770
know the stages the Rockets they're

1800
01:19:21,420 --> 01:19:20,230
hovering over Saudi Arabia you know it's

1801
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:21,430
not something that a lot of people

1802
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:23,650
really have pointed out so much because

1803
01:19:27,930 --> 01:19:25,870
it's kind of subtle but you have to ask

1804
01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:27,940
yourself okay why are we seeing Saudi

1805
01:19:33,210 --> 01:19:31,180
Arabia in the background and of that of

1806
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:33,220
that image you know so it's it's showing

1807
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:35,290
us that they're taking these projects

1808
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:38,100
outside of the view of the rest of

1809
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,900
so we aren't able to see it and you

1810
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:41,760
don't necessarily you know it's not too

1811
01:19:48,230 --> 01:19:45,810
difficult to to keep the people who are

1812
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:48,240
involved in these projects who also you

1813
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:50,040
know at the same time probably feel that

1814
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:52,890
they're part of you know who knows what

1815
01:19:56,810 --> 01:19:54,450
they've been told maybe they've been

1816
01:19:59,720 --> 01:19:56,820
told that there's something coming that

1817
01:20:04,130 --> 01:19:59,730
is gonna doom humanity and it's their

1818
01:20:06,830 --> 01:20:04,140
role to be on the cutting edge of saving

1819
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:06,840
the human race and and so therefore if

1820
01:20:10,010 --> 01:20:08,730
they know that there's something coming

1821
01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:10,020
and they have to save us and it's going

1822
01:20:14,210 --> 01:20:11,670
to wipe out the majority the people on

1823
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:14,220
the planet then you cannot tell

1824
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:15,690
everybody about it because it would

1825
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:18,510
actually create this massive panic it

1826
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:20,610
would create destabilization and they

1827
01:20:25,130 --> 01:20:21,930
would actually prevent themselves from

1828
01:20:27,740 --> 01:20:25,140
being able to create this Noah's Ark if

1829
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:27,750
you will of the human genome so these

1830
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:29,370
people might actually it might not

1831
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:31,370
actually be too difficult to keep them

1832
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:33,930
to keep their mouths shut because they

1833
01:20:39,250 --> 01:20:36,540
feel altruistic they would feel some

1834
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:39,260
greater sense of mission for Humanity

1835
01:20:46,220 --> 01:20:43,130
that's just my take on it interesting i

1836
01:20:48,770 --> 01:20:46,230
I wanted to tell the listener at the

1837
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:48,780
live listening right now if you wanted

1838
01:20:54,290 --> 01:20:50,640
to call in I want to talk about that

1839
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:54,300
briefly I am getting a number of

1840
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:56,640
complaints about Collins to the shows

1841
01:21:01,310 --> 01:20:59,580
because I don't have there's a system I

1842
01:21:03,470 --> 01:21:01,320
can get it's very expensive I guess for

1843
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:03,480
screening calls and to hire a phone

1844
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,340
screener and all that to make it nice

1845
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:07,040
and smooth I don't have that capability

1846
01:21:12,830 --> 01:21:11,730
I am like I said I'm getting a number of

1847
01:21:15,140 --> 01:21:12,840
complaints I'm thinking about

1848
01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:15,150
eliminating the calls but I'm not really

1849
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:19,800
sure since we get so few but I think

1850
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:22,860
what I decided to do for now is I'm

1851
01:21:27,380 --> 01:21:25,890
going to have a specific time where

1852
01:21:29,660 --> 01:21:27,390
someone can call in and I'm going to

1853
01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:29,670
make that time right now if anyone wants

1854
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:31,830
to call in within the next 10 minutes

1855
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:34,410
you're welcome to call at six oh three

1856
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:38,730
nine six seven four o3o to ask our

1857
01:21:43,570 --> 01:21:41,820
guests a question again if you want to

1858
01:21:48,830 --> 01:21:43,580
call in within the next ten minutes

1859
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:48,840
6:03 967 403 oh so just keep in mind I

1860
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:51,050
might have to stop you for a call

1861
01:21:57,340 --> 01:21:54,170
you'll probably see it up on skype I'm

1862
01:22:02,050 --> 01:21:57,350
not sure how that works but can you walk

1863
01:22:07,420 --> 01:22:02,060
us through the film uh kind of the

1864
01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:07,430
soup-to-nuts of the film sure and by the

1865
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:10,760
way the yeah also tell us how the

1866
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:13,130
audience can find that and watch it in

1867
01:22:17,290 --> 01:22:14,930
your website and all that give us all

1868
01:22:20,350 --> 01:22:17,300
that information if you would Oh gladly

1869
01:22:22,060 --> 01:22:20,360
yeah the the best place to to find out

1870
01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:22,070
anything about the film is directly from

1871
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:54,600
www.unityhouston.org

1872
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:00,370
is sort of a road movie that takes this

1873
01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:04,010
premise of alternative three and looks

1874
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:07,100
at it from a modern context forty years

1875
01:23:12,130 --> 01:23:09,850
down the road was this book actually

1876
01:23:15,010 --> 01:23:12,140
possibly telling the truth you know what

1877
01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:15,020
would be the evidence of that so it

1878
01:23:23,140 --> 01:23:18,670
really is on the one hand it's this

1879
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,150
pursuit of factual evidence that's out

1880
01:23:30,010 --> 01:23:25,520
there on the other hand it's a little

1881
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:30,020
bit of a kind of like what does a film

1882
01:23:33,490 --> 01:23:32,210
out there called what about me which I

1883
01:23:35,710 --> 01:23:33,500
don't know if people that are listening

1884
01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:35,720
know about but it's sort of a sort of a

1885
01:23:40,330 --> 01:23:37,910
philosophical trip around the world with

1886
01:23:42,190 --> 01:23:40,340
they took music and drum loops and and

1887
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:42,200
they connected with musicians and while

1888
01:23:47,020 --> 01:23:43,850
there that along time yeah you know yeah

1889
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,030
right exactly and in between they have

1890
01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:49,280
like you know philosophical sound bites

1891
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:51,710
dropped in and and I was really inspired

1892
01:23:56,110 --> 01:23:54,050
by that film and when I saw that and I

1893
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:56,120
saw zeitgeist and I saw like okay

1894
01:24:00,490 --> 01:23:58,730
there's this emerging information but it

1895
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:00,500
would be cool to do a what about me with

1896
01:24:04,810 --> 01:24:03,170
more spacey topic and so packing for

1897
01:24:06,819 --> 01:24:04,820
Mars kind of evolved in that too

1898
01:24:09,939 --> 01:24:06,829
so there's a lot of a musical foundation

1899
01:24:12,370 --> 01:24:09,949
to the film so so it has a sort of a

1900
01:24:16,859 --> 01:24:12,380
it's really built on on an artistic

1901
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:16,869
carpet it is it's not just talking heads

1902
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:19,130
information dispersion film on

1903
01:24:24,850 --> 01:24:22,400
disclosure or Exopolitics it's actually

1904
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:24,860
sort of like an artistic journey as well

1905
01:24:31,859 --> 01:24:27,290
and on top of the artistic journey we

1906
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:31,869
look at these subjects of a Mars colony

1907
01:24:36,129 --> 01:24:34,130
fearlessly you know we look at whatever

1908
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:36,139
we found you know we trace and we

1909
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:39,170
connect as many dots as our logical that

1910
01:24:44,830 --> 01:24:42,770
play into the foundation set up by

1911
01:24:48,970 --> 01:24:44,840
Leslie Watkins all those years earlier

1912
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:48,980
that there would be you know a colony

1913
01:24:53,140 --> 01:24:50,810
there then how that colony would get

1914
01:24:55,569 --> 01:24:53,150
there and the technologies that they

1915
01:24:57,970 --> 01:24:55,579
would evolve to get those things there

1916
01:24:59,560 --> 01:24:57,980
and and the other thing is why would

1917
01:25:01,330 --> 01:24:59,570
they go there well there is there

1918
01:25:05,069 --> 01:25:01,340
something that could be approaching us

1919
01:25:07,629 --> 01:25:05,079
so you know we talked to people about

1920
01:25:11,050 --> 01:25:07,639
what could it be that's approaching us

1921
01:25:13,540 --> 01:25:11,060
and we explore Nibiru and Planet X and

1922
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:13,550
the evidence that actually was explored

1923
01:25:20,050 --> 01:25:16,880
by and revealed by a whistleblower from

1924
01:25:21,819 --> 01:25:20,060
the Vatican who shows us that the

1925
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:21,829
Vatican is actually has its own

1926
01:25:27,250 --> 01:25:24,170
deep-space exploration program that we

1927
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:27,260
know nothing about and this actually has

1928
01:25:32,129 --> 01:25:29,030
been documenting and keeping a very

1929
01:25:34,689 --> 01:25:32,139
close watch on the cosmos in particular

1930
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:34,699
objects which might be approaching us

1931
01:25:39,609 --> 01:25:37,449
and actually have a trajectory

1932
01:25:41,260 --> 01:25:39,619
coinciding with an event that would

1933
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:41,270
happen in the not-too-distant future

1934
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:43,250
maybe not just around the corner maybe

1935
01:25:46,959 --> 01:25:45,260
not two or three years down the road but

1936
01:25:49,209 --> 01:25:46,969
maybe two or three decades down the road

1937
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:49,219
which would give them enough time of

1938
01:25:57,970 --> 01:25:54,110
course to set up you know colonies on

1939
01:25:59,709 --> 01:25:57,980
another planet maybe you know our planet

1940
01:26:01,689 --> 01:25:59,719
is going to be affected maybe it's not

1941
01:26:05,919 --> 01:26:01,699
going to be affected but we also look at

1942
01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:05,929
historically where their incidences in

1943
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:09,409
time that were documenting cataclysmic

1944
01:26:14,859 --> 01:26:11,750
events that took place and indeed there

1945
01:26:18,820 --> 01:26:14,869
were and and in fact there is a deep

1946
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:18,830
connection to humans history with

1947
01:26:22,990 --> 01:26:21,410
the history of Mars there's 369 words of

1948
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:23,000
the English language which are directly

1949
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:25,730
related to the Red Planet and they all

1950
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:27,590
talk about some cataclysmic huge

1951
01:26:33,940 --> 01:26:30,950
powerful you know emotional violent and

1952
01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:33,950
you know they're very intense words and

1953
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:37,060
they seem to show that there was a

1954
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:39,530
flourishing culture that took place

1955
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:42,890
between our planet and the Red Planet

1956
01:26:47,140 --> 01:26:45,650
many many years ago perhaps 12,000 years

1957
01:26:49,330 --> 01:26:47,150
ago that's not that long ago you know

1958
01:26:51,550 --> 01:26:49,340
when you think about how fast things

1959
01:26:53,620 --> 01:26:51,560
disappear like we can't even really put

1960
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:53,630
our finger on whether you know Jesus

1961
01:26:57,460 --> 01:26:55,610
Christ was walking around 2,000 years

1962
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:57,470
ago or not I mean there's evidence that

1963
01:27:01,450 --> 01:26:58,880
he was and there's lots of people say

1964
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:01,460
there isn't but you know it's hard for

1965
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:03,890
us to even really kind of keep our tabs

1966
01:27:09,070 --> 01:27:06,560
on something up in 2,000 years ago or

1967
01:27:10,900 --> 01:27:09,080
1,000 years ago let alone 12,000 years

1968
01:27:13,540 --> 01:27:10,910
ago I mean if you dropped your iPhone in

1969
01:27:15,220 --> 01:27:13,550
the end the Nevada desert and left it

1970
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:15,230
there for 12,000 years do you think

1971
01:27:19,930 --> 01:27:17,210
anything would be left of that now it

1972
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:19,940
would be gone so you know the only thing

1973
01:27:24,190 --> 01:27:21,770
that's ever really preserved in time are

1974
01:27:26,410 --> 01:27:24,200
stone on carvings which is probably the

1975
01:27:29,260 --> 01:27:26,420
only reason that you you know we even

1976
01:27:32,230 --> 01:27:29,270
find any kind of evidence of UFOs going

1977
01:27:34,630 --> 01:27:32,240
back a long long times it go is on on

1978
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:34,640
the cave drawings of cavemen that they

1979
01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:37,760
find because stones are the only thing

1980
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:41,060
that don't disappear and you know over

1981
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:42,890
the course of hundreds of thousands of

1982
01:27:48,340 --> 01:27:45,890
years the way other things do metal does

1983
01:27:51,010 --> 01:27:48,350
or you know the way we water erodes

1984
01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:51,020
things yeah so that's one of the things

1985
01:27:56,890 --> 01:27:53,830
yeah sorry yeah I was just going to say

1986
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:56,900
that believe it or not it's hard to

1987
01:28:01,330 --> 01:27:58,850
believe this but the pyramids will be

1988
01:28:03,010 --> 01:28:01,340
gone someday but that's like 25 million

1989
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:03,020
years from now

1990
01:28:09,340 --> 01:28:05,330
so exactly exactly you know things do

1991
01:28:11,470 --> 01:28:09,350
erode even stone but that's just from

1992
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:11,480
you know the in the current conditions

1993
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:16,970
that's what would happen but yeah as far

1994
01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:19,250
as I heard it said many times that were

1995
01:28:26,140 --> 01:28:22,990
a species with amnesia and we really

1996
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:26,150
can't you know we can't really look back

1997
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:28,730
that far you know really know and it's

1998
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:30,260
not Pro we're not really meant we're not

1999
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:32,150
wired that way Martin I think we're

2000
01:28:36,459 --> 01:28:32,719
wired

2001
01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:36,469
be ware walk buyer to forget because for

2002
01:28:43,209 --> 01:28:40,760
us to hold on to traumatic events it

2003
01:28:45,879 --> 01:28:43,219
just blocks us from feeling optimistic

2004
01:28:48,339 --> 01:28:45,889
or hopeful about carrying forward into

2005
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:48,349
the future so a lot of the events that

2006
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:50,210
took place in the civilizations that

2007
01:28:54,609 --> 01:28:52,190
have come and gone and these weren't

2008
01:28:56,859 --> 01:28:54,619
these weren't probably were not very

2009
01:28:58,750 --> 01:28:56,869
happy events you know we talk about an

2010
01:29:01,299 --> 01:28:58,760
Atlantis sinking you know we talk about

2011
01:29:03,359 --> 01:29:01,309
the bureau coming in and wiping

2012
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:03,369
everything off the surface of Mars

2013
01:29:07,450 --> 01:29:05,449
12,000 years ago I mean these are events

2014
01:29:11,259 --> 01:29:07,460
that aren't leaving behind a very you

2015
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:11,269
know joyous kind of picture of what took

2016
01:29:16,509 --> 01:29:13,610
place so I think it's in our nature to

2017
01:29:19,029 --> 01:29:16,519
forget these events we document them

2018
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:19,039
perhaps or we we keep you know vague

2019
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,570
records of them but I think they're in a

2020
01:29:24,819 --> 01:29:23,360
cellular memory they're in our DNA this

2021
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:24,829
is why I think these subjects keep

2022
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:27,249
coming up into the mains into the new

2023
01:29:33,399 --> 01:29:30,170
again again and into the population

2024
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:33,409
because we we have this I think somebody

2025
01:29:38,259 --> 01:29:36,170
said recently I was listening to a

2026
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:38,269
physicist sort of Russia talked about

2027
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:42,010
how the there's a you know the impending

2028
01:29:47,709 --> 01:29:45,199
overlap of our universe with another is

2029
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:47,719
very close and that there are people

2030
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:49,130
that are sensitive that are actually

2031
01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:50,960
already picking up on it in the more for

2032
01:29:54,250 --> 01:29:52,729
genetic field and that makes a lot of

2033
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:54,260
sense to me because I think we are

2034
01:30:00,819 --> 01:29:58,090
connected to this we are really in a way

2035
01:30:02,620 --> 01:30:00,829
precipitance into this dimension our

2036
01:30:03,850 --> 01:30:02,630
bodies are like you know the rain coming

2037
01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:03,860
out of the clouds from another dimension

2038
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:06,289
into this reality so that we have this

2039
01:30:12,689 --> 01:30:08,690
limited perspective of perception but we

2040
01:30:17,859 --> 01:30:12,699
are actually connected to a greater

2041
01:30:20,770 --> 01:30:17,869
fiber or matrix of the universe and so

2042
01:30:23,290 --> 01:30:20,780
out of that we actually do have access

2043
01:30:25,719 --> 01:30:23,300
and connect to all the information

2044
01:30:29,140 --> 01:30:25,729
that's out there including impending

2045
01:30:31,870 --> 01:30:29,150
events or past events and we feel those

2046
01:30:33,310 --> 01:30:31,880
things but some of us are more sensitive

2047
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,320
now others and I think we have a

2048
01:30:39,219 --> 01:30:35,840
tendency in society to really you know

2049
01:30:40,930 --> 01:30:39,229
again your tribe analogy here we need to

2050
01:30:43,029 --> 01:30:40,940
if you look back a hundred thousand

2051
01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:43,039
years ago if there was an ice age here

2052
01:30:46,660 --> 01:30:45,409
and we had limited technology to survive

2053
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:46,670
at the only way we

2054
01:30:52,090 --> 01:30:49,489
survive probably in an ice age is if we

2055
01:30:53,290 --> 01:30:52,100
stuck together in a clan you know if

2056
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:53,300
you're together with a group of people

2057
01:30:57,459 --> 01:30:55,520
you have better chances of finding

2058
01:30:59,560 --> 01:30:57,469
something killing something eating

2059
01:31:01,120 --> 01:30:59,570
something and surviving than you did on

2060
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:01,130
your own in fact if you were cast out of

2061
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:03,410
the club and it's pretty much certain

2062
01:31:07,570 --> 01:31:05,210
death at that point and I think that

2063
01:31:11,950 --> 01:31:07,580
that's one of the reasons why it's not

2064
01:31:13,540 --> 01:31:11,960
really difficult to keep information you

2065
01:31:15,250 --> 01:31:13,550
know to keep information out of the

2066
01:31:16,810 --> 01:31:15,260
public because people don't want to

2067
01:31:19,570 --> 01:31:16,820
believe you can tell people a lot of the

2068
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:19,580
stuff that is out there but they just

2069
01:31:22,990 --> 01:31:21,290
there's a cognitive dissonance and

2070
01:31:24,370 --> 01:31:23,000
that's one of the other themes I'm very

2071
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:24,380
important in packing for Mars that we

2072
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:27,260
explore is like you know because how can

2073
01:31:31,660 --> 01:31:29,810
you you keep these secrets from people

2074
01:31:34,090 --> 01:31:31,670
and this idea of a cognitive dissonance

2075
01:31:35,530 --> 01:31:34,100
basically states that when you're when a

2076
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:35,540
human being is confronted with

2077
01:31:40,660 --> 01:31:38,570
information and which which is

2078
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:40,670
diametrically opposed to what they've

2079
01:31:46,150 --> 01:31:42,860
learned or they've been taught or they

2080
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:46,160
basically experienced in their life even

2081
01:31:51,130 --> 01:31:49,310
if it's true if it's so difficult for

2082
01:31:53,919 --> 01:31:51,140
them to accept it because it requires

2083
01:31:55,780 --> 01:31:53,929
them to have to abandon their current

2084
01:31:58,360 --> 01:31:55,790
belief systems at the cost of perhaps

2085
01:32:00,220 --> 01:31:58,370
losing friendships losing family members

2086
01:32:02,770 --> 01:32:00,230
of you know having people think that

2087
01:32:05,140 --> 01:32:02,780
you're you're crazy the the people will

2088
01:32:08,140 --> 01:32:05,150
tend to stay with the fiction rather

2089
01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:08,150
than accept the new truth so you know

2090
01:32:13,810 --> 01:32:10,540
this is what's going on I think people

2091
01:32:16,450 --> 01:32:13,820
it's a slow trickle of information out

2092
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:16,460
there and gradually sort of a critical

2093
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,320
mass of people who will embrace enough

2094
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:21,199
of an idea so that it suddenly blossoms

2095
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:22,850
and it's kind of happened that way

2096
01:32:26,770 --> 01:32:25,310
historically you can sort of see that

2097
01:32:28,270 --> 01:32:26,780
you know Margaret Mead said it you know

2098
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:28,280
never really took a lot of people to

2099
01:32:33,580 --> 01:32:31,040
change the history in fact it always

2100
01:32:35,770 --> 01:32:33,590
only has been a very few that's because

2101
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:35,780
this very few is that critical mass and

2102
01:32:39,970 --> 01:32:38,239
you know world of seven billion people

2103
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:39,980
maybe it's seven million people or

2104
01:32:43,060 --> 01:32:41,449
something that will do it which seems

2105
01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:43,070
like a lot of people but if you look at

2106
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:44,300
all the people in the world it's

2107
01:32:48,250 --> 01:32:46,370
actually a very tiny fraction of a

2108
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:48,260
percentage of the amount of people on

2109
01:32:55,689 --> 01:32:53,690
the planet hmm yeah yeah for sure let's

2110
01:32:58,360 --> 01:32:55,699
see there say another question someone

2111
01:33:00,050 --> 01:32:58,370
wanted me to ask you here what healing

2112
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:00,060
technologies have you heard

2113
01:33:05,630 --> 01:33:02,250
about and do you think there could be

2114
01:33:08,090 --> 01:33:05,640
any truth to claims these is it exists

2115
01:33:12,340 --> 01:33:08,100
right now examples life extension age

2116
01:33:15,470 --> 01:33:12,350
regression LEM limbo like an arm or leg

2117
01:33:19,970 --> 01:33:15,480
regeneration cures for various diseases

2118
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:19,980
such as cancer or others that's an

2119
01:33:27,490 --> 01:33:22,530
interesting question I mean on the one

2120
01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:27,500
hand I have personally been exposed to

2121
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:31,140
very earthy type technologies that can

2122
01:33:38,330 --> 01:33:34,290
heal people you know very early in the

2123
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:38,340
80s and 90s I got to meet and work with

2124
01:33:41,780 --> 01:33:39,960
a woman called Ann Wigmore and she was

2125
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:41,790
developing something called living foods

2126
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:44,490
which was based on drinking fresh

2127
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:46,890
wheatgrass juice and sprouting and

2128
01:33:52,730 --> 01:33:50,130
unlocking the power of enzymes and

2129
01:33:56,090 --> 01:33:52,740
living foods all around us to cure

2130
01:33:58,400 --> 01:33:56,100
people of cancer and other diseases I

2131
01:33:59,870 --> 01:33:58,410
guess you have to be very careful these

2132
01:34:01,880 --> 01:33:59,880
days when you mentioned the word cure

2133
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:01,890
because the AMA I think has a patent on

2134
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:04,080
it but essentially she was having great

2135
01:34:09,980 --> 01:34:06,090
success and having people go into

2136
01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:09,990
remission using powerful existing easy

2137
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:13,110
to access methodology is like sprouting

2138
01:34:17,180 --> 01:34:15,150
and juicing that's the one thing you

2139
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,190
know and when you when you've explored

2140
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:18,960
that a bit you've seen the results of

2141
01:34:24,230 --> 01:34:21,570
yourself personally and you know that it

2142
01:34:25,820 --> 01:34:24,240
works it's very it's very interesting

2143
01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:25,830
then when you think about okay well

2144
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:27,900
there's also these technologies that

2145
01:34:33,140 --> 01:34:30,080
come in from the outside that are

2146
01:34:34,970 --> 01:34:33,150
technologically based that you know and

2147
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:34,980
but would you really need them if you

2148
01:34:39,170 --> 01:34:36,960
were living in a balanced society where

2149
01:34:40,910 --> 01:34:39,180
we were eating good foods and we weren't

2150
01:34:44,150 --> 01:34:40,920
eating contaminated crap full of

2151
01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:44,160
antioxidants and I mean sorry not

2152
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:47,520
antioxidants the full of free radicals

2153
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:50,400
and full of like you know pollutants and

2154
01:34:54,500 --> 01:34:51,930
aluminum and whatever else they dumped

2155
01:34:57,980 --> 01:34:54,510
into our food supply so that's a lot of

2156
01:34:59,330 --> 01:34:57,990
what's keeping us kind of sick but you

2157
01:35:00,890 --> 01:34:59,340
know it's interesting that there are

2158
01:35:03,380 --> 01:35:00,900
people like Cory good have been talking

2159
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:03,390
about the age regression that they did

2160
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:05,040
and the heal they know that they would

2161
01:35:09,050 --> 01:35:06,810
actually take people forward and

2162
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:09,060
backward in time and age regress them I

2163
01:35:13,580 --> 01:35:10,800
mean it's kind of hard to get your mind

2164
01:35:15,410 --> 01:35:13,590
around that but I

2165
01:35:18,229 --> 01:35:15,420
remember seeing some films that JJ

2166
01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:18,239
hurtak was showing about how they had

2167
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:20,760
actually developed cloning to the point

2168
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:23,250
where they were growing organs based on

2169
01:35:27,979 --> 01:35:26,400
someone's actual DNA so they could take

2170
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:27,989
like if you had a liver problem or

2171
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:29,730
something they could take your DNA and

2172
01:35:35,930 --> 01:35:32,610
they could literally grow a liver from

2173
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:35,940
your own DNA and implant it into you and

2174
01:35:40,490 --> 01:35:38,670
actually give you a brand new healthy

2175
01:35:42,379 --> 01:35:40,500
liver yeah but none of these

2176
01:35:45,050 --> 01:35:42,389
technologies ever really approach you

2177
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:45,060
know the reasons why we got sick in the

2178
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:46,320
first place it's one thing if you get

2179
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:48,210
hit by a car you need a doctor to mend

2180
01:35:53,629 --> 01:35:50,730
your bones it's another thing to go

2181
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:53,639
behind the cause of the dis-ease you

2182
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:55,920
know the cause of what made you sick in

2183
01:36:00,140 --> 01:35:58,080
the first place and most of it can be

2184
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:00,150
traced back to living out of balance

2185
01:36:04,459 --> 01:36:01,920
with nature and out of balance with

2186
01:36:05,959 --> 01:36:04,469
perhaps your own you know inner voice

2187
01:36:08,030 --> 01:36:05,969
what are you doing in your life is it

2188
01:36:09,830 --> 01:36:08,040
connecting with what you're here to do

2189
01:36:11,660 --> 01:36:09,840
do you even know why you're here do you

2190
01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:11,670
have a reason or do you just are you

2191
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:13,590
just a consumer you know it's your is

2192
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:15,210
your mission to make as much money as

2193
01:36:19,129 --> 01:36:17,610
you can to buy the coolest toys and the

2194
01:36:24,669 --> 01:36:19,139
person with the best toys at the end of

2195
01:36:26,660 --> 01:36:24,679
the game wins right right um let's see

2196
01:36:34,729 --> 01:36:26,670
someone I'm just trying to look at this

2197
01:36:37,450 --> 01:36:34,739
question someone had sent in oh this guy

2198
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:37,460
want to know more about the breakaway

2199
01:36:44,750 --> 01:36:42,960
the breakaway idea and but you've pretty

2200
01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:44,760
much covered that so another person want

2201
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:47,550
to know what you thought of or if you've

2202
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:49,170
ever looked into the Black Knight

2203
01:36:54,890 --> 01:36:53,489
satellite no I haven't I have to say I

2204
01:36:57,859 --> 01:36:54,900
have looked to do it

2205
01:37:01,810 --> 01:36:57,869
yeah that's a that's something that it's

2206
01:37:04,580 --> 01:37:01,820
supposed to be have have been spotted on

2207
01:37:08,089 --> 01:37:04,590
telescopes and it's something that could

2208
01:37:10,459 --> 01:37:08,099
be many many thousands of years old but

2209
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,469
it's unusual or something and I really

2210
01:37:13,729 --> 01:37:12,480
don't know I'd suggest to the listener

2211
01:37:16,010 --> 01:37:13,739
that doesn't know about it

2212
01:37:18,530 --> 01:37:16,020
and I know nothing about I've just heard

2213
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:18,540
about it to go ahead and look that up in

2214
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:20,610
the internet you'll you'll find

2215
01:37:27,149 --> 01:37:24,810
something on it I'm sure is your is your

2216
01:37:30,689 --> 01:37:27,159
movie actually

2217
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:30,699
just for stream only it's never never

2218
01:37:37,229 --> 01:37:34,090
really hit the theaters right well we do

2219
01:37:38,969 --> 01:37:37,239
some theatrical showings but generally

2220
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:38,979
yeah it's difficult to get alternative

2221
01:37:43,259 --> 01:37:41,650
films into mainstream theater chains

2222
01:37:46,259 --> 01:37:43,269
we're working on something now where we

2223
01:37:48,299 --> 01:37:46,269
can you know we can have we're exploring

2224
01:37:51,089 --> 01:37:48,309
the idea of there's a company out there

2225
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:51,099
which will which will host your your

2226
01:37:57,089 --> 01:37:53,050
film for theaters that want to do a

2227
01:37:59,159 --> 01:37:57,099
digital cinema you know they work with

2228
01:38:01,709 --> 01:37:59,169
digital cinema packages can download

2229
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:01,719
your film if enough people choose they

2230
01:38:06,750 --> 01:38:03,280
want to watch it I think the threshold

2231
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:06,760
is 50 people in an area of one of these

2232
01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:10,239
qualify your film on the big screen they

2233
01:38:13,649 --> 01:38:11,860
will actually download it and screen it

2234
01:38:18,469 --> 01:38:13,659
so but yeah other than that we've

2235
01:38:20,759 --> 01:38:18,479
limited at the moment with DVDs select

2236
01:38:22,409 --> 01:38:20,769
screenings that we have at events when

2237
01:38:24,509 --> 01:38:22,419
we come to Nexus we screened in

2238
01:38:26,250 --> 01:38:24,519
Australia and Sydney recently to a

2239
01:38:28,890 --> 01:38:26,260
sold-out theater actually which was

2240
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:28,900
pretty cool and you know we have the

2241
01:38:32,929 --> 01:38:30,639
online stream available as well yeah

2242
01:38:37,409 --> 01:38:32,939
you're right mm-hmm

2243
01:38:41,069 --> 01:38:37,419
let's see one of the talking points that

2244
01:38:43,919 --> 01:38:41,079
you sent me was up tell us how to get

2245
01:38:45,870 --> 01:38:43,929
help from the cosmos raising your

2246
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:45,880
frequency of awareness and consciousness

2247
01:38:53,729 --> 01:38:48,610
breaking free of our participation in

2248
01:38:55,649 --> 01:38:53,739
the system exactly well that was sort of

2249
01:38:59,370 --> 01:38:55,659
I've alluded a little bit about that

2250
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:59,380
already it's generally the way to get

2251
01:39:02,969 --> 01:39:01,119
rid of the way to kind of get help from

2252
01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:02,979
the cosmos the way I define it is that

2253
01:39:09,149 --> 01:39:05,380
it's just it's about you know just

2254
01:39:12,409 --> 01:39:09,159
tuning yourself into a higher awareness

2255
01:39:15,719 --> 01:39:12,419
of things and breaking away from a

2256
01:39:19,049 --> 01:39:15,729
participation in a system that keeps us

2257
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:19,059
sort of within a certain set mind box

2258
01:39:23,279 --> 01:39:21,610
you know we have I don't know if you

2259
01:39:25,859 --> 01:39:23,289
remembers Richard doll in the beginning

2260
01:39:27,989 --> 01:39:25,869
of pakmar's talking about you know we

2261
01:39:31,379 --> 01:39:27,999
have this you know we grow up we have

2262
01:39:34,859 --> 01:39:31,389
all these ideas about maybe UFOs or

2263
01:39:38,219 --> 01:39:34,869
space or you know crazier ideas as kids

2264
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:38,229
but generally we become adults and we

2265
01:39:41,010 --> 01:39:40,329
have to conform we have to make limited

2266
01:39:42,570 --> 01:39:41,020
decisions

2267
01:39:44,850 --> 01:39:42,580
because we're told we need to integrate

2268
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:44,860
into society because you know we need to

2269
01:39:50,370 --> 01:39:48,370
get a job we need to earn money you know

2270
01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:50,380
we don't we don't get access to the

2271
01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:52,390
technologies that give us free energy

2272
01:39:56,730 --> 01:39:54,460
and that would mean we wouldn't have to

2273
01:39:58,620 --> 01:39:56,740
necessarily work all the time so we have

2274
01:40:00,360 --> 01:39:58,630
to integrate into this society and no

2275
01:40:02,820 --> 01:40:00,370
one tells us those where to get those

2276
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:02,830
technologies and how to use them so we

2277
01:40:07,170 --> 01:40:05,530
become limited and I think we've reached

2278
01:40:09,090 --> 01:40:07,180
a point now and this is something we

2279
01:40:12,060 --> 01:40:09,100
really explored a lot in our last film

2280
01:40:13,890 --> 01:40:12,070
solar revolution which by the way I

2281
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,900
could maybe give the URL to that as well

2282
01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:15,760
because that's also an interesting film

2283
01:40:22,650 --> 01:40:17,830
to watch that would be

2284
01:40:27,570 --> 01:40:22,660
ww solar revolution movie calm and that

2285
01:40:31,140 --> 01:40:27,580
film we really look deeply at what's

2286
01:40:33,270 --> 01:40:31,150
coming at us from the center of the

2287
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:33,280
galaxy in terms of particles and rays

2288
01:40:39,660 --> 01:40:35,290
and frequencies which are stimulating

2289
01:40:42,510 --> 01:40:39,670
our DNA at a frequency which has a lot

2290
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:42,520
of relation to the frequencies that are

2291
01:40:49,290 --> 01:40:46,650
that are causing people to have sort of

2292
01:40:51,390 --> 01:40:49,300
experiences that perceive other

2293
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:51,400
dimensions for example ones that are

2294
01:40:56,490 --> 01:40:53,290
activating the DNA I mean sorry the

2295
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:56,500
pineal gland and the pineal gland being

2296
01:41:01,560 --> 01:40:58,210
activated in this way creates or

2297
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:01,570
develops our own psychotropic chemical

2298
01:41:07,530 --> 01:41:03,970
called dimethyltryptamine otherwise

2299
01:41:10,170 --> 01:41:07,540
known as DMT and this allows some people

2300
01:41:11,670 --> 01:41:10,180
are doing DMT trips because it allows

2301
01:41:13,860 --> 01:41:11,680
them to have these experiences but the

2302
01:41:15,870 --> 01:41:13,870
real foundation behind what's going on

2303
01:41:18,930 --> 01:41:15,880
with DMT is that it actually is allowing

2304
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:18,940
us to perceive these other frequencies

2305
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:21,010
and higher frequencies that are going on

2306
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:23,650
around us and we believe through what we

2307
01:41:27,870 --> 01:41:25,690
learned when we made the film so the

2308
01:41:30,330 --> 01:41:27,880
revolution is that we're in the midst of

2309
01:41:34,110 --> 01:41:30,340
a transformation on the planet right now

2310
01:41:37,140 --> 01:41:34,120
that humans are standing at the gates of

2311
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:37,150
the next evolutionary leap if you look

2312
01:41:42,180 --> 01:41:39,370
back at you know in the last few hundred

2313
01:41:44,910 --> 01:41:42,190
or thousand years the the kinds of

2314
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:44,920
thinking and the thought structures and

2315
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:47,530
and the hierarchical structures that are

2316
01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:50,110
out there are seamless pretty similar

2317
01:41:53,940 --> 01:41:51,820
and they've brought us to this point

2318
01:41:54,660 --> 01:41:53,950
where we're at right now where we need

2319
01:41:58,290 --> 01:41:54,670
to make

2320
01:42:02,580 --> 01:41:58,300
a critical change in the world we need

2321
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:02,590
to redefine the way we interact with our

2322
01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:05,370
environment we need to stop for example

2323
01:42:12,140 --> 01:42:08,350
developing and exploiting technologies

2324
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:12,150
that are polluting the planet that are

2325
01:42:18,510 --> 01:42:15,010
exploit exploiting people that are

2326
01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:18,520
keeping a small group of people in the

2327
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:21,910
know and accessing the finances and the

2328
01:42:25,950 --> 01:42:23,890
cash flow while the majority of the

2329
01:42:28,620 --> 01:42:25,960
people out there are getting less and

2330
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:28,630
less cash flow and living in more and

2331
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:30,730
more compromised positions and I think

2332
01:42:36,450 --> 01:42:33,310
we're sort of racing at 100 miles an

2333
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:36,460
hour toward a wall and this wall is kind

2334
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:38,290
of that point where we need to make the

2335
01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:40,690
critical mass shift for us to reach this

2336
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,110
new state of consciousness so I really

2337
01:42:51,630 --> 01:42:47,679
encourage people to you know embrace the

2338
01:42:55,140 --> 01:42:51,640
idea that we actually are we're already

2339
01:42:57,870 --> 01:42:55,150
moving into that new level of being that

2340
01:43:00,689 --> 01:42:57,880
the frequencies and the particles that

2341
01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:00,699
are out there that are stimulating those

2342
01:43:06,390 --> 01:43:03,820
aspects of our of our DNA are we're

2343
01:43:09,930 --> 01:43:06,400
swimming in them already and some of us

2344
01:43:11,939 --> 01:43:09,940
are already having in really profound

2345
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:11,949
experiences and we're seeing that more

2346
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,520
and more of this other reality and those

2347
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:17,440
are the early adopters but there this is

2348
01:43:21,330 --> 01:43:19,449
something which we all eventually will

2349
01:43:25,050 --> 01:43:21,340
inherit and it seems to me like there's

2350
01:43:30,180 --> 01:43:25,060
a there's a systemic body there's a

2351
01:43:33,300 --> 01:43:30,190
systematic attempt to keep us in the old

2352
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:33,310
timeline and the old way of thinking by

2353
01:43:38,910 --> 01:43:36,190
a group of people which have exploited

2354
01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:38,920
in capitalize on keeping us in that way

2355
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:40,660
of thinking for many many thousands of

2356
01:43:46,110 --> 01:43:42,880
years and they know that their days are

2357
01:43:48,750 --> 01:43:46,120
numbered so they're moving like crazy to

2358
01:43:51,419 --> 01:43:48,760
try and you know assert and and

2359
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:51,429
reinforce their model but it's not

2360
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:52,810
working and it's breaking down all

2361
01:43:58,770 --> 01:43:54,730
around us and the sooner we begin to

2362
01:44:01,740 --> 01:43:58,780
adopt these and be open to new ways of

2363
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:01,750
thought and new ways of being the the

2364
01:44:06,930 --> 01:44:03,730
more we anchor that new energy in that

2365
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:06,940
new timeline in this reality so that so

2366
01:44:09,900 --> 01:44:08,050
we can make that lis

2367
01:44:11,580 --> 01:44:09,910
when the time comes and that might be in

2368
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:11,590
the form of you know it's all part of it

2369
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:13,090
I think this whole disclosure movement

2370
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:14,710
I'm sure you're well aware of it we have

2371
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:17,050
Stephen Bassett talking in the film and

2372
01:44:21,090 --> 01:44:18,610
Stephen Bassett you know he's a very

2373
01:44:23,660 --> 01:44:21,100
amazing guy who's been working for many

2374
01:44:26,810 --> 01:44:23,670
years to try and get the government to

2375
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:26,820
to come clean on their interaction with

2376
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:29,770
extraterrestrials for many many years a

2377
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:32,050
lot of people are buzzing about Hillary

2378
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:33,760
Clinton getting elected because there's

2379
01:44:37,170 --> 01:44:35,770
been some whispers of her being the

2380
01:44:39,390 --> 01:44:37,180
president that will come out the

2381
01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:39,400
disclosure president you know these are

2382
01:44:43,500 --> 01:44:41,110
all topics which are out there for a

2383
01:44:46,710 --> 01:44:43,510
reason and that reason is that I think

2384
01:44:49,050 --> 01:44:46,720
we're all moving toward this new kind of

2385
01:44:52,100 --> 01:44:49,060
reality so that's kind of what I meant

2386
01:44:54,210 --> 01:44:52,110
by that how that makes any sense yeah

2387
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,220
this is a question up on the message

2388
01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:56,320
board if everything is frequency have

2389
01:45:02,040 --> 01:44:58,570
you conducted or should say have you

2390
01:45:05,580 --> 01:45:02,050
looked at anyone that's researching the

2391
01:45:09,050 --> 01:45:05,590
technology that might be used to shift

2392
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:09,060
out frequency to observe alternative

2393
01:45:15,060 --> 01:45:13,330
alternate alternate of realities well

2394
01:45:17,310 --> 01:45:15,070
that's what the chronovisor is I mean

2395
01:45:19,230 --> 01:45:17,320
the chronovisor is that that's kind of

2396
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:19,240
the best way to define that that

2397
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:22,090
technology it's this it's what's what's

2398
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:23,290
interesting is when we did sell a

2399
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:25,890
revolution we connect we talked to a

2400
01:45:30,210 --> 01:45:28,210
scientist called Michael Persinger he's

2401
01:45:32,730 --> 01:45:30,220
a neuroscientist working in Canada and

2402
01:45:35,130 --> 01:45:32,740
he's sort of one of the pioneers behind

2403
01:45:38,910 --> 01:45:35,140
something or he is the pioneer behind

2404
01:45:41,570 --> 01:45:38,920
something he called the God and the god

2405
01:45:43,710 --> 01:45:41,580
helmet was this device where he took a

2406
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:43,720
motorcycle helmet and he attached very

2407
01:45:48,420 --> 01:45:46,330
weak magnetic fields in specific

2408
01:45:51,690 --> 01:45:48,430
locations and he people put the helmet

2409
01:45:53,610 --> 01:45:51,700
on and they had they went into altered

2410
01:45:55,440 --> 01:45:53,620
states of consciousness that's very

2411
01:45:57,170 --> 01:45:55,450
controversial what they experienced but

2412
01:46:01,680 --> 01:45:57,180
essentially what he showed is that and

2413
01:46:04,590 --> 01:46:01,690
what he told us is that every thought

2414
01:46:06,330 --> 01:46:04,600
that's ever been thought and every deed

2415
01:46:10,740 --> 01:46:06,340
or everything that's ever happened is is

2416
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:10,750
indeed stored in the magnetic field of

2417
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:12,130
the earth and magnetic field of the

2418
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:14,650
Earth's like a giant capacitor which has

2419
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:16,810
since the beginning of time been

2420
01:46:21,569 --> 01:46:19,090
basically picking up all of the

2421
01:46:23,819 --> 01:46:21,579
frequencies generated by actions

2422
01:46:26,729 --> 01:46:23,829
thoughts that we only humans have been

2423
01:46:28,319 --> 01:46:26,739
having all these you know for eons and

2424
01:46:30,299 --> 01:46:28,329
it stored these and they're available

2425
01:46:31,949 --> 01:46:30,309
it's kind of like the first time some

2426
01:46:35,849 --> 01:46:31,959
scientists ever really explained to me

2427
01:46:39,509 --> 01:46:35,859
what an Akashic record might be so his

2428
01:46:43,949 --> 01:46:39,519
God helmet was a way to set up a kind of

2429
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:43,959
a state of consciousness through weak

2430
01:46:49,049 --> 01:46:45,760
magnetic fields for people to tune into

2431
01:46:50,759 --> 01:46:49,059
that greater pool of information and

2432
01:46:54,179 --> 01:46:50,769
they would often have like very powerful

2433
01:46:55,919 --> 01:46:54,189
visionary experiences whereas on the

2434
01:46:58,579 --> 01:46:55,929
other end the chemical end of it is the

2435
01:47:01,349 --> 01:46:58,589
dimethyltryptamine which Rick Strassman

2436
01:47:03,719 --> 01:47:01,359
explored in solar revolution and his I

2437
01:47:05,009 --> 01:47:03,729
mean actually and his own research which

2438
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:05,019
we tapped into a little bit in solar

2439
01:47:09,270 --> 01:47:07,209
revolution of people who had had you

2440
01:47:11,399 --> 01:47:09,280
know profound life-changing experiences

2441
01:47:13,649 --> 01:47:11,409
having direct injections of

2442
01:47:15,060 --> 01:47:13,659
dimethyltryptamine for like were for 10

2443
01:47:17,219 --> 01:47:15,070
or 15 minutes they were really in

2444
01:47:18,899 --> 01:47:17,229
another dimension altogether and they

2445
01:47:21,899 --> 01:47:18,909
came back and they had glimpses of this

2446
01:47:23,609 --> 01:47:21,909
greater reality that's out there so

2447
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,619
those are the technology and the

2448
01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:26,320
chronovisor is really just a device that

2449
01:47:32,969 --> 01:47:30,129
taps into that somehow and focuses it

2450
01:47:36,089 --> 01:47:32,979
for people who are operating the device

2451
01:47:38,609 --> 01:47:36,099
to tune into specific events these could

2452
01:47:39,949 --> 01:47:38,619
be events apparently in the past they

2453
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:39,959
could be events that are happening now

2454
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:42,719
and they could be events in the future

2455
01:47:48,989 --> 01:47:45,280
so it's pretty amazing stuff actually

2456
01:47:52,679 --> 01:47:48,999
well uh someone wanted to know have you

2457
01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:52,689
studied finned horn are you familiar

2458
01:47:56,969 --> 01:47:54,729
with that uh I am familiar with Finn

2459
01:48:00,479 --> 01:47:56,979
Dorn I haven't really looked into it in

2460
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:00,489
the last couple of decades I just I know

2461
01:48:05,579 --> 01:48:02,169
that Finn Dorne is something very

2462
01:48:06,989 --> 01:48:05,589
magical and very real and I think it's

2463
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:06,999
also one of those subjects that you

2464
01:48:11,159 --> 01:48:08,320
could probably write a book about or

2465
01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:11,169
make a movie about oh wow I'm not

2466
01:48:17,699 --> 01:48:13,689
familiar at all with it it's something

2467
01:48:19,139 --> 01:48:17,709
in Scotland there is yeah mm-hmm well

2468
01:48:20,819 --> 01:48:19,149
okay

2469
01:48:23,729 --> 01:48:20,829
another thing that someone can look up

2470
01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:23,739
if they would like a question another

2471
01:48:27,839 --> 01:48:25,689
question here do you meditate or

2472
01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:27,849
practice any methods to change your own

2473
01:48:35,730 --> 01:48:33,249
vibrations if so how would one go about

2474
01:48:43,150 --> 01:48:35,740
doing that

2475
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:43,160
whoa well I don't ever claim to to know

2476
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:44,930
the answers to anything I just I'm just

2477
01:48:48,670 --> 01:48:46,490
like you know like everybody else

2478
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:48,680
stumbling blindly the universe trying to

2479
01:48:51,970 --> 01:48:51,530
make sense of it I have at times in my

2480
01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:51,980
life

2481
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:53,750
practiced meditation and I guess the

2482
01:48:58,420 --> 01:48:56,210
form of meditation that I personally

2483
01:49:00,370 --> 01:48:58,430
found the most useful was then

2484
01:49:03,310 --> 01:49:00,380
meditation because it's really just

2485
01:49:05,950 --> 01:49:03,320
about observing your mind because it

2486
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:05,960
seems to me like the the biggest hurdle

2487
01:49:14,290 --> 01:49:10,610
to identifying who you are what you're

2488
01:49:16,450 --> 01:49:14,300
here for or what you're not so to speak

2489
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:16,460
is to observe what you're thinking

2490
01:49:20,970 --> 01:49:18,650
because most of the time we're Chad and

2491
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:20,980
our brains are our thoughts or just

2492
01:49:25,180 --> 01:49:23,330
chit-chatting constantly there's a voice

2493
01:49:28,630 --> 01:49:25,190
in your head or a hundred voices in your

2494
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:28,640
head and the trick for me to the

2495
01:49:35,020 --> 01:49:31,760
meditation was to just listen to those

2496
01:49:36,910 --> 01:49:35,030
voices observe those voices and through

2497
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:36,920
doing that you reach a certain inner

2498
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:38,570
stillness and you realize that most of

2499
01:49:45,070 --> 01:49:40,910
those voices if you follow them to their

2500
01:49:46,570 --> 01:49:45,080
source are meaningless and that there's

2501
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:46,580
really bad they have nothing to do with

2502
01:49:51,190 --> 01:49:49,130
your true essence I think it's very

2503
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:51,200
difficult to still the mind and become

2504
01:49:55,930 --> 01:49:54,410
silent like that just practicing it to

2505
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:55,940
try and do it alone without even

2506
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:00,800
achieving it is a good start but and I

2507
01:50:04,180 --> 01:50:02,090
remember even people you know when I

2508
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,190
really in my life they were there were

2509
01:50:07,330 --> 01:50:06,080
various meditation techniques that I was

2510
01:50:10,380 --> 01:50:07,340
exposed to like you know if you would

2511
01:50:13,420 --> 01:50:10,390
say look at a candle a flame or whatever

2512
01:50:16,660 --> 01:50:13,430
or close your eyes you know on visualize

2513
01:50:19,570 --> 01:50:16,670
stuff but I think more and more in my

2514
01:50:21,190 --> 01:50:19,580
life now I practice kind of like an open

2515
01:50:25,150 --> 01:50:21,200
high meditation which means that I'm

2516
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:25,160
just cognizant in the world knowing that

2517
01:50:30,670 --> 01:50:26,960
regardless of what if my eyes are closed

2518
01:50:33,610 --> 01:50:30,680
or open what's out there is subject to

2519
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,620
the filters that I've been given in my

2520
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:35,840
life and I just have to do you know it's

2521
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:39,290
it's it's just as effective to to have

2522
01:50:46,990 --> 01:50:42,290
an open eye waking state meditation with

2523
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:47,000
the awareness of your filter as it is to

2524
01:50:51,429 --> 01:50:48,320
sit

2525
01:50:53,770 --> 01:50:51,439
and you know try to be still I think it

2526
01:50:55,929 --> 01:50:53,780
both are valid and both are probably

2527
01:50:57,399 --> 01:50:55,939
just as difficult but I think they both

2528
01:51:00,520 --> 01:50:57,409
lead to the same thing and that is to

2529
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:00,530
perceive more more the reality of what

2530
01:51:05,379 --> 01:51:02,719
you are rather than the reality of

2531
01:51:07,810 --> 01:51:05,389
what's been enforced on you by society

2532
01:51:11,229 --> 01:51:07,820
by education by the opinions of others

2533
01:51:13,660 --> 01:51:11,239
by you know popular trend I think you

2534
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:13,670
know we really need to try and get to at

2535
01:51:19,540 --> 01:51:17,449
least I do you know get to my own inner

2536
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:19,550
stillness my own inner voice now you

2537
01:51:24,850 --> 01:51:22,610
know it is it is I did observe and the

2538
01:51:26,589 --> 01:51:24,860
later you know months that is just you

2539
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,599
know when you get involved in a topic

2540
01:51:31,239 --> 01:51:29,360
like like the ones that were in with

2541
01:51:36,429 --> 01:51:31,249
packing for Mars I've noticed an

2542
01:51:39,699 --> 01:51:36,439
increase in you know energies may be

2543
01:51:41,259 --> 01:51:39,709
being directed at me to try and you know

2544
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:41,269
I think things I don't want to get

2545
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:43,130
paranoid here but it seems like there

2546
01:51:46,979 --> 01:51:45,110
there's there could easily be I could

2547
01:51:52,270 --> 01:51:46,989
easily say that there that there's a

2548
01:51:55,870 --> 01:51:52,280
focused maybe energy to try and you know

2549
01:51:58,270 --> 01:51:55,880
keep things keep me distracted or to to

2550
01:52:01,089 --> 01:51:58,280
try and you know get me off course and

2551
01:52:02,679 --> 01:52:01,099
or to try and stabilize me ever since

2552
01:52:06,549 --> 01:52:02,689
you know packing for Mars has taken on

2553
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:06,559
more popularity whether that's just my

2554
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:09,199
own mind or whether that's something

2555
01:52:13,419 --> 01:52:10,610
which is happening I don't know but I

2556
01:52:15,310 --> 01:52:13,429
did is interesting to observe it because

2557
01:52:18,429 --> 01:52:15,320
when we made the film you know for five

2558
01:52:20,109 --> 01:52:18,439
years Tanya and I essentially didn't

2559
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:20,119
tell anybody about the film we didn't

2560
01:52:24,279 --> 01:52:22,610
help you were filming it we didn't talk

2561
01:52:26,979 --> 01:52:24,289
to our family or friends or anything we

2562
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:26,989
just quietly went about our business on

2563
01:52:31,149 --> 01:52:28,639
the side over the course of five years

2564
01:52:33,549 --> 01:52:31,159
with interviews here more research there

2565
01:52:36,609 --> 01:52:33,559
and then we didn't announce it until it

2566
01:52:42,009 --> 01:52:36,619
was actually dropped into we went to

2567
01:52:44,319 --> 01:52:42,019
contact in the desert in May 2015 and we

2568
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:44,329
just you know dropped it right in the

2569
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:46,130
middle of that whole group from nowhere

2570
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:47,360
and it was interesting to see the

2571
01:52:51,549 --> 01:52:50,030
reaction and to watch it evolve since

2572
01:52:53,140 --> 01:52:51,559
then but that's what all I can say I

2573
01:52:55,959 --> 01:52:53,150
think as far as meditation goes I hope

2574
01:52:57,939 --> 01:52:55,969
that helps yeah yeah wow that's a that's

2575
01:53:00,399 --> 01:52:57,949
a long time to keep something like that

2576
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:00,409
you're working on and devoting so much

2577
01:53:06,299 --> 01:53:01,650
time

2578
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,309
you know quiet it's really something

2579
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:08,800
so now I'm going to ask you this and

2580
01:53:13,379 --> 01:53:10,239
maybe you're not even going to answer me

2581
01:53:17,699 --> 01:53:13,389
but what is what's the next the next

2582
01:53:20,060 --> 01:53:17,709
film yeah that's it something always

2583
01:53:24,569 --> 01:53:20,070
always gets asked it's true

2584
01:53:27,540 --> 01:53:24,579
you know we we've we've got a bunch of

2585
01:53:30,779 --> 01:53:27,550
projects that are sort of looming around

2586
01:53:32,669 --> 01:53:30,789
us and it's it's I don't really want to

2587
01:53:35,129 --> 01:53:32,679
say which one it'll be except you know I

2588
01:53:37,140 --> 01:53:35,139
know there's a I can say that you know

2589
01:53:38,759 --> 01:53:37,150
we started off I think one of our first

2590
01:53:41,129 --> 01:53:38,769
projects during the course of making

2591
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:41,139
pack from ours we came into connection

2592
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:42,880
with Klaus Dona this Austrian

2593
01:53:47,910 --> 01:53:44,650
out-of-place artifacts researcher that I

2594
01:53:51,540 --> 01:53:47,920
mentioned earlier and we created the

2595
01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:51,550
Klaus Dona chronicles and we always

2596
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:54,400
intended to continue making more of

2597
01:54:00,179 --> 01:53:56,650
those because Klaus Dona has since then

2598
01:54:03,330 --> 01:54:00,189
he's been researching more and he's um

2599
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:03,340
he's found additional things that we

2600
01:54:09,779 --> 01:54:05,920
need to to show and these are things

2601
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:09,789
that definitely are important aspects of

2602
01:54:15,569 --> 01:54:13,599
our history with regard to archaeology

2603
01:54:18,569 --> 01:54:15,579
into technology that existed in the past

2604
01:54:19,890 --> 01:54:18,579
which we never find out about so you

2605
01:54:22,739 --> 01:54:19,900
know there's another clause Donner

2606
01:54:24,540 --> 01:54:22,749
chronicles on the horizon what the

2607
01:54:26,429 --> 01:54:24,550
subject matter will be I won't mention

2608
01:54:28,919 --> 01:54:26,439
it yet but that's definitely one of the

2609
01:54:31,469 --> 01:54:28,929
projects and you know I'm interested in

2610
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:31,479
observing kind of what's going on with

2611
01:54:36,449 --> 01:54:34,719
artificial intelligence and it's you

2612
01:54:39,299 --> 01:54:36,459
know I had this sort of a download a

2613
01:54:42,209 --> 01:54:39,309
couple of years ago of course while I

2614
01:54:44,699 --> 01:54:42,219
was working on packing for Mars and it

2615
01:54:47,629 --> 01:54:44,709
was like it almost like well this is a

2616
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:47,639
important subject to make a film about

2617
01:54:52,979 --> 01:54:50,729
and you know so I felt like really

2618
01:54:56,819 --> 01:54:52,989
powerfully motivated to make a film

2619
01:54:57,839 --> 01:54:56,829
about it I don't know how or when we're

2620
01:55:00,120 --> 01:54:57,849
going to do it you know when you make

2621
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:00,130
these films one of the things that I

2622
01:55:05,189 --> 01:55:02,650
mean that we pride ourselves on Tania

2623
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:05,199
and myself is that you know we we keep

2624
01:55:11,310 --> 01:55:07,920
the integrity of the film pure by not

2625
01:55:13,529 --> 01:55:11,320
selling it to you know to other

2626
01:55:14,910 --> 01:55:13,539
financial interests that may have an

2627
01:55:17,459 --> 01:55:14,920
impact or may have

2628
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:17,469
an influence on the outcome or the

2629
01:55:21,090 --> 01:55:19,330
direction or the subject matter explored

2630
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:21,100
in the film which is you know why you

2631
01:55:25,500 --> 01:55:22,960
can't really go to government group and

2632
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:25,510
so you can't really go to major major

2633
01:55:30,150 --> 01:55:28,690
sponsors because they can't you know

2634
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:30,160
they're going to have a vested interest

2635
01:55:33,930 --> 01:55:31,840
and if you put out material that

2636
01:55:35,550 --> 01:55:33,940
conflicts with their worldview you're

2637
01:55:37,439 --> 01:55:35,560
going to have a problem so we have

2638
01:55:39,209 --> 01:55:37,449
that's why it takes us five years to put

2639
01:55:41,729 --> 01:55:39,219
a film like this together because we

2640
01:55:44,010 --> 01:55:41,739
have to painstakingly from you know

2641
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:44,020
savings we've made on the side of other

2642
01:55:48,959 --> 01:55:46,239
projects that were working on just you

2643
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:48,969
know job related you know right now I'm

2644
01:55:54,090 --> 01:55:51,760
sitting in English stud in Bavaria and

2645
01:55:55,709 --> 01:55:54,100
I'm working on a knotty project you know

2646
01:55:57,660 --> 01:55:55,719
Audie the cars right so I'm working I

2647
01:55:59,610 --> 01:55:57,670
work on commercial film productions and

2648
01:56:02,220 --> 01:55:59,620
on the side and these things of course

2649
01:56:04,530 --> 01:56:02,230
help sustain you so that you can do your

2650
01:56:07,140 --> 01:56:04,540
research and and and go out there and

2651
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:07,150
and put together films and and have the

2652
01:56:11,970 --> 01:56:10,239
skillset to do it so you know and then

2653
01:56:13,590 --> 01:56:11,980
if you got a crowdfunding year it's like

2654
01:56:15,810 --> 01:56:13,600
making a public announcement that you're

2655
01:56:18,930 --> 01:56:15,820
going to be making a film which is going

2656
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:18,940
to provoke be a very provocative film

2657
01:56:22,890 --> 01:56:19,810
and you're going to have immediate

2658
01:56:25,590 --> 01:56:22,900
resistance in the same sense that like

2659
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:25,600
we said we kept pfm quiet because we

2660
01:56:29,550 --> 01:56:28,000
liked that there was no energies coming

2661
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:29,560
to interfere with us that nobody knew

2662
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:31,210
about it and it really helped to get

2663
01:56:34,439 --> 01:56:32,890
that film done I can't imagine if we

2664
01:56:35,939 --> 01:56:34,449
would have told everybody we were doing

2665
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:35,949
this film on Mars it would have gone as

2666
01:56:40,169 --> 01:56:38,560
smoothly as it did so you know that's

2667
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:40,179
the conflict that we that we have I'd

2668
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:42,730
love to be doing five films right now

2669
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:44,290
all of them be subjects that would blow

2670
01:56:47,700 --> 01:56:46,000
your mind just from the people that

2671
01:56:49,470 --> 01:56:47,710
we've met in the course of making a film

2672
01:56:51,390 --> 01:56:49,480
like packing for Mars researchers and

2673
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:51,400
information that that we haven't been

2674
01:56:55,620 --> 01:56:53,199
able to get out there just it just you

2675
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:55,630
just feel this burning need to get it

2676
01:56:59,640 --> 01:56:57,520
out there into one to get it out there

2677
01:57:01,950 --> 01:56:59,650
but you know it all takes time it all

2678
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:01,960
takes funding and it's a slow

2679
01:57:07,439 --> 01:57:04,719
painstaking process right well you know

2680
01:57:09,620 --> 01:57:07,449
we're plumb out of time and I want to

2681
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:09,630
thank you so much for joining us today

2682
01:57:13,950 --> 01:57:12,130
well thanks a lot for having me Martin

2683
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:13,960
it's been a pleasure all right and you

2684
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:15,280
can look in the show notes you'll see

2685
01:57:18,780 --> 01:57:16,810
all the information and how to see that

2686
01:57:19,380 --> 01:57:18,790
movie all right will you take care now

2687
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:19,390
Frank

2688
01:57:22,410 --> 01:57:22,090
take care Martin have a good one thank

2689
01:57:24,630 --> 01:57:22,420
you

2690
01:57:26,729 --> 01:57:24,640
so whoops I cut them off there so that's

2691
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:26,739
it for the show I want to thank you so

2692
01:57:31,470 --> 01:57:28,210
much for your support or

2693
01:57:34,590 --> 01:57:31,480
listening live or both and we'll be back

2694
01:57:37,050 --> 01:57:34,600
next week next week we have Jim Marrs

2695
01:57:39,870 --> 01:57:37,060
that will be another interesting show so